Hey everybody, it’s Ever with Ohio for Freedom, the program that is focused for the foreseeable future on talking about

things in the church and that sometimes includes things that happen in the church that should not be in the church.

And we are uh going to be uh joined in just a moment by James White who had a very just crazy, ridiculous experience.

He has literally taken the time to pull off the highway to be with us. And so

we’re going to have him for about 10 minutes and I want to bring him on right now. Um James, thank you so much for

being with us. Um and always a pleasure to talk with you.

[laughter] Oh god, bro. I just want to Okay, I’m going to ask a question and just just go and just tell your story.

But I had seen um we know each other.

You sent me a very nice bracelet back in the summer, by the way, and thank you very much. And we did that event together in Dallas, and my goodness was

April of uh 2025. But I saw that you had mentioned that you were going to the funeral and I was able to call you and

we were able to speak. Uh but things turned out a little bit differently than I thought and I think perhaps you

thought and if you don’t mind just pick up the story and tell us what actually happened. Well, I’m not even going to talk about the problems I had getting a

my rental car, but I’ll just say that um I came in a different way than I normally do because I’ve been to Gateway

Church before and I was watching them as far as their process and uh how they ended up getting Daniel Floyd as their senior pastor.

So, um, I ended up the entrance, uh, that I ended up trying to go to at

first was actually the closed off one for the higherups at Dayar. And

[clears throat] the the li the purse was outside and there was another uh vehicle

there and uh so uh the guy was like, “Are you a day star?” I was like, “No, no, no. I’m sorry. I’m just trying to

get to the memorial service. And he said, “Well, go down there and go through the kids area and you’ll be fine.” And so we walked around, went in

the door. They actually had metal detectors set up and um which was fine. Um it’s

just like going through the airport and uh made it through that really quickly.

and then um got into the uh foyer of Gateway Church and my wife had stopped

and got a something to drink and uh then we walked in and

there were there was a good amount of people, but there were some rows where like you’d have people sitting on the ends and nobody in between,

but I didn’t want to try to like walk around them to get to a seat. So, I was just looking for a place to sit down

and security person walked up to me and tapped me on my shoulder and said, “Mr.

White.” I was like, “Uhoh, cuz if you know my name, it means you

were looking for me.” And so I said, “Can I help you?” And he said, “I need to talk to you over here.” I was like,

“Okay.” So, we walked towards the the door and he said, “I don’t know how to tell

you this. I’m so sorry.” And this was a gate gateway church security person. He

said, “Um, there’s a list of people that are not allowed to be here and you’re on it.”

And so I was just like, “Okay, that makes sense.” Uh, I’ve said some things that they probably didn’t like. So, I

understand understand that. And so, um, we went out into the the lobby area

and there was another person that wanted to talk to me and I said, “Look, you know, I just drove 2 hours. I really need to use the restroom.” And he’s

like, “Sure, not a problem.” And so, I walked down the hall, went and used the restroom, came back, and there was a

female um I for what was the that nice lady’s name? Bonnie.

Bonnie. Um, super nice lady. She’s like, “I’m I’m in charge of security here at Gateway. Um, can we talk?” And I said,

“Why don’t we just go outside? It’s nice outside. Let’s just go outside.” And she explained that um because

Dayar had paid for the use of the building. Uh they gave them a specific list of people. Um is interest. I love

my I love my wife. She’s amazing. She asked, “Uh, is Jonathan on that list?” No, I [clears throat] said, “Did Jonathan get to come to that funeral?”

Right. Did Jonathan get to come to the funeral? And she said, “I’m sorry. I wish I could answer that, but I can’t.” Um, and so they were just they were very

empathetic. I even had people that worked at Gateway Church that have seen my videos and said, “We’re appreciative

of of what you’re doing.” [snorts] Um, and um, I said, “Look, you know, my my

wife’s not 100% right now. She had some had some health issues a couple weeks ago. Um, could you give us a ride to our

car?” And they’re like, “Oh, sure. Not a problem.” So, this guy pulls up with a

golf cart. We climb in the back and he takes us to the rental. Um,

so yeah, we didn’t get to see a whole lot. Um, it was uh very disappointing. I mean, I

I live south of Waco and it’s it was a two-hour drive.

you um one thing we talked briefly a little bit ago um but they they told you that there

was a list of people that were not allowed to attend. That is correct.

They they wouldn’t say who was on it, but I can tell you who’s on it. You’re [clears throat] probably if you ever showed up, you you uh Laura Lynn’s

probably on it. Uh Julie Royce is probably on it. Um, unfortunately our friends Jonathan and Susie are definitely on it.

Um, they are in complete denial. They want to act like they don’t exist.

U, James and James, if I can just remark out of all the podcasters I I mean, would you mind explaining to the

audience like you’re a chaplain, correct? Correct.

So my my theory what I try to what I try to present is what is actual pastoral

care versus what you’re seeing on television. I tried to to compare and contrast those two things. Um if you’ve

noticed for example when Dr. Doug is talking um even when Joanie was alive he would often talk over her. He would

interrupt her. He wasn’t really fully listening. He wasn’t fully present with Joanie or the guest

and yet he’s a counselor. And it just, you know, ministry of presence is something that

not only chaplain do, but but licensed professional counselors do as well. And that’s supposedly what Dr. Doug is, but he doesn’t act like it.

[sighs]

But you and you serve in a professional capacity is what I’m trying to say. So, I mean, I I would say out of all the podcasters, I don’t think that you went

in there with a Molotov cocktail and was going to throw it, but I’m going to bring in um our two guests here and say

hi to Lynn from the Gospel of Narc and Pastor John G [laughter] from Remnant. Uh Lynn, let me just start with you.

We’ve only got uh James for a short while. I heard a couple of things that I didn’t, but what question do you have for James or just a remark that you have from this piece of testimony, please?

Um, I would like to know what the atmosphere was like.

Very solemn. Um, wasn’t a whole lot of talking. Um, there was somebody up front that was uh giving their testimony. Do

you do you know who was talking at the time? Oh, but there was singing.

Yeah. And um lots of singing. Um they in between people talking they they

would have some some worship music and I kind of expected that because uh you know Joanie really loved to sing and

music was a part of her life and whether whether you like her or not but that to me that’s the connection that she has

with Joshua Brown is the musical aspect of it and um

so I I I wouldn’t I would expect any kind of memorial

service for Joanie Lamb to have several songs.

Pastor John, do you have a question for uh James?

Yeah, just real quick, James. So, I saw your video and last time I checked it’s you’ve got about 4,000 views on that

thing. It’s doing really well. But um you had mentioned in your video that um uh the gateway security was really nice.

Um did I detect that the you had contact with the day security and maybe they weren’t nice?

There was some company there. I didn’t recognize the badge, but there was some company there and they were a little

um pushy. I I would just say cold.

Um they just come off as uncaring, not very kind, just

uh you you know, you you you feel it. It’s like, you know, that kind of

So, you don’t know if that was the Day Star mafia or not?

Um, I would assume that Day Star paid for for them, but that’s just an educated guess.

Um, anybody that had Gates, anybody that had Gateway on their shirt was extremely polite, extremely uh, respectful.

And even when um, cuz I can’t go into detail as far as what I do during the day cuz I work for the federal government. I was

the lady was like um, Debbie was like, “Is there anything I could do?” And I just told her I was like, “These are the people that I work with.” and I and I

asked her to pray for them and we right there outside before the cart pulled up stopped and prayed for

our veterans and so I thought that was a nice touch

[sighs]

while we have By the way I I work with veterans who have substance abuse issues.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, so your your credentialed anyway, uh, James, your

your demeanor is so, you know, so, uh, under control. You’re not a you’re not a flamethrower. I might be a flamethrower.

Uh, Pastor John’s a rockthrower, but but James is not. You’re [laughter] not a flamethrower.

Um, I just refuse to to to hold a grudge about this. It’s not worth It’s not

worth my time. If um if I was meant to be in there, I’d be in I would have

gotten to stay. But um you know, I got to spend the whole afternoon with my beautiful wife and we

got to drive around in a goofy looking Cybert truck and we got to have fun and um

I just wanted to try it out and you know, we learned something. We learned uh

just how certain people behave. Um if you’ve ever heard of Dr. John Delani, he works with um oh who’s that guy with the finances?

He works with Dave Ramsey. He has this wonderful quote where he says, “Behavior is a language.” Look at the behavior of Dayar.

Constantly covering things up, constantly shutting things down. if you don’t abide by their narrative, they want to silence you. They want to to

squash you and they want to push you out of the way. And that’s not how Jesus acted. That’s not Christlike at all. And it’s sad.

When you and I talked, James, and we’re going to I appreciate you. I know you need to get get rolling. Um I want to say this. Uh when you and I talked uh

and I asked if you could be on, and we really really appreciate it. I I found myself saying at the end of our conversation, James, I’m so sorry that

happened. And it kind of stuck in my I kind of got halted mids sentence because I’m not really sorry that happened. You

were supposed to be there. You were you were an I it’s the same way that I felt when I saw Pastor Ray get ejected from

the national religious broadcasters and the next day they threat were threatening Laura Lynn with the rest for just being there. I was able to see it.

It happened. I know it. You were there as a living testimony and a witness to this behavior.

Yeah. Look at look at the behavior. Um, don’t don’t look at the lights and the glitter and the and the and all the the

producing. You know, the Bible says in Matthew 7 that we will know them by their fruits.

Brother James, we are putting the link to your channel in the description as soon as we conclude here. Um, please

give our best to your lovely bride and thank you so much for going. Thank you so much for spending time with us and

and enjoy that fun fun ride in the Cyber Truck, my brother.

Well, I had to turn it in. I’m back in my little Honda Civic. [laughter] You’re back. This guy doesn’t slow down.

James, God bless you. Thank you so much for being with us, brother. Love y’all. James.

Okay. Love you, too. Okay. Bye. Bye. I don’t know where to start. Lynn, take over for a minute because I I just don’t

Please react to what we just saw. This is just this is like surreal to me.

Yeah, I think um Joanie Lamb’s narrative continues. That’s what I’m hearing is

that she was such a master at putting a narrative out there and making everybody

uh circle the wagons to make sure that narrative was going to be brought forth.

And even in her death, she she continues on with her narrative. Uh I think you and I were speaking earlier about the

obituary and how in that it stated that Dayar was the largest Christian

television network in the world when in fact I believe TBN is. And then she states under her leadership it’s grown x amount. And you know it’s all about her.

It’s all about the story that she wants other people to believe about her and

even even down to the point of um not showing Jonathan and Sus’s pictures in the family slideshow at the funeral.

That’s so heartbreaking and telling, but again, it’s Joanie trying to erase the parts that are messy, that don’t match

her narrative, and then pushing forward the things that uh support her narrative, even in her death.

My my my I was going to ask James before he had to go, but I’ll ask Pastor John. I We have

it on good authority. I I’m not sure that I can say the name of who told me this, so I’m going to take but um we

believe that Jonathan attended his mother’s funeral and was actually in the building today

sitting in the back row in the sanctuary. Do you have a reaction, uh Pastor John? Yeah, my reaction is unbelievable.

The sun, what was he going to do? pull fire alarms there, you know, and he showed up. This just

shows you who Dayar is. Why Day Star, why not just be the bigger person and show everyone, no, we welcomed Jonathan

with open arms here, sat him on the front row, sat him right next to whomever. But no, that’s not who Day Star is. You know, just real quickly, Ever, there’s a passage in Luke 14.

Jesus said, “Now, I know this wasn’t a wedding feast, but Jesus said, when you’re invited to a wedding feast, don’t sit in the seat of honor. What if

someone is more distinguished than you has also been invited?” I would say Jonathan would be way up there as far as a distinguished guest.

But verse 9, the host will come and say, “Give this person your seat.” Then you will be embarrassed and you will have to take whatever seat is left at the foot

of the table. Instead, take the lowest place at the foot of the table. That’s who Jonathan and Suzie are. Then when your host sees you, he will come and

say, “Friend, we have a better place for you.” Then you will be honored in front of all the other guests. For those who exalt themselves will be humbled and

those who humble themselves will be exalted. And while the host didn’t exalt them, uh I think all of your viewers and

I think lots of people are going to exalt in their minds, in their hearts, Jonathan and Susie. And if nothing else,

I believe with all my heart that the Lord is going to exalt Jonathan and Susie for their humility.

Amen, brother. And Lynn, doesn’t this prove um

doesn’t this show like how much courage um integrity, honor, and strength it

took for Jonathan and Susie to walk away from this mess?

Yes, absolutely. Jonathan and Susie are real Christ followers. Dayar is an

apostate ministry. They’re two totally opposite things. What we’ve seen in

watching Jonathan Su and Susie walk away from a billion dollar empire because they held to their principles of

what the scripture says. That truly is following Christ. That is the gospel. They are living epistles.

And and for them to be treated so shamefully and slandered and maligned, again, that comes along with the territory of following Christ.

It truly does. And they’ve withstood it with such grace and and honor and dignity and have spoken the truth in love.

Amen. I am going to pull a surprise for both of y’all. I’m going to ask you to react to something. It’s a still. I had

this still made, you know, several months ago. Uh, but I actually I want to see if you believe that it it fits maybe

with a little bit of tweaking here, but this is um I’m just going to describe it. This is the cult within a church structure.

And the broader outer circle is some natural normal sheep. Some of them are, you know, the greater public. Uh you can

see in the bottom left you have you know a little bit of injury there. So some are kind of beat up a little bit but the there’s a middle circle and they’re

dressed a little differently and then by the time you get into that inner circle you got you have to think a certain way

you have to believe is does does an illustration like that Lynn

does does that come close to describing the dynamics at Dayar? Absolutely.

Absolutely. You have Joanie high and lifted up on her throne there at the helm. And then in her inner circle, those are her closest people, the

sycopants, the yesmen, the flying monkeys, the ones that will abuse the truth tellers on her behalf. And then

like you said, the the the middle tier, those are like the second level people.

People probably like Joseph Z and um Redwig and some of the others that you know that they’re not super close, but they’re they’re still supporting actors.

The things that people have to understand is that a narcissist can never operate on their own. They cannot

do it. They have to have their sycopants and their supporters and their worshippers in order to carry forth

their narrative to carry out their agenda. If if everyone had walked away from Joanie the way Jonathan did, Joanie

wouldn’t have a ministry anymore. But there were just enough people around her to support and prop up that evil because

they all bowed the knee to something other than Jesus, right? Whether it was money or fame or financial security or

um an open door, you know, she Joanie is a gatekeeper in many ways. And um I think that illustration is perfect.

[sighs and gasps] Pastor John, I’m gonna Well, I’ll let you react to that and then I have another slide I want to show show both of y’all. But is is is that

slide accurate or Lynn and I like crazy or what’s your take on that sir?

That that’s pretty much the structure of Dayar. And is can you put that graphic up for just a sec? I would say that middle

I’d say that middle tier probably folks like the uh table talk ladies and I said this in my last video.

Shame on you guys who were part of the table talk who didn’t love Joanie enough to tell her the truth to say, “Hey, you

know, I I think you need to reconcile with uh Jonathan and Susie. Jonathan Jonathan and Sus’s kids never did anything wrong. Could they at least be

able to get to see you before you pass here? I mean, what did the little kids do wrong? So, yeah, they start. It’s a

it’s a hot mess. And I I ever I just wonder if um if it was Joany’s final

wish is, hey, you know, don’t give Jonathan and Susie a seat at the front.

Uh let them sit in the back if they want to come. Now, it would have been a media firestorm if they wouldn’t have allowed Jonathan and Susie to be there, but

yeah. Anyway, well, and if if these two pieces of information are are are absolute, and I

got a lot of confidence in them that uh well, we’re going to look at the bulletin that they passed out today in

just a moment. Jonathan Lamb’s Let’s Let’s just do that real quick right now before before I uh um I believe that’s

right here. If you blow this up, it’s got it mentions Jennison Franklin, Phil Driscoll, Ostein, Dr. Doug Weise. Oh,

was Paula White was there a yacht? Make me want to Did well somebody had to represent the only begotten daughter of

Mrs. Moon there. Um, but nowhere on there is Jonathan Jonathan’s name. And I even noticed that the pawbearers

are listed and they didn’t even make a spot for Jonathan to even be uh a

pawbearer. And so, uh, Lynn, I’ll get your reaction to this. If, if what Laura

Lynn reported on her Friday broadcast just like two or three days ago, Jonathan and Susie

got a moment of visitation with Joanie, and if they were sitting in the back row

at this funeral service, that was it. What does that say to those that are observing all this happening?

What that says is that that was exactly what Joanie wanted because everybody there did exactly what Joanie wanted and

they still will for a season and that was what she wanted. This is the problem. She could she could not reconcile with Jonathan and keep Doug.

She had to let go of one or the other.

She wasn’t allowed to keep both. She understood that. Like the PR fallout from that would have just been

disastrous, even more so than what we’ve already seen in Dayar. And so she made her choice.

She made her choice. And it was a terrible, terrible choice indeed. Resentful to the end.

Yeah. And it’s sad because Joanie’s gone now. I mean, this is very real. you know, she’s gone.

And uh thankfully Jonathan and Susie and their family and Susie’s parents

can move forward and heal, but Johnny’s opportunity has passed.

Uh Pastor John, you said something that sparked something. I got to be a little bit careful how I say this and I’m going

to say it and I’m going to try to get your reaction and then Lynn’s reaction, but um I got to be a bit careful. But a

person that knows or knew

Joanie Lamb very very well for decades and was definitely a Joanie Lamb fan. a

Joanie Lamb fan and just believed all things Joanie uh interacted with her via text message

a few weeks before she died. And Joanie Lamb made a couple of assertions. Here’s

the first one. That she’s never misused God’s money or partner money.

and that she had a perfect son for 34 or 37 years and then she lost him and that

her daughter-in-law told a lie about her granddaughter.

Um, I can’t say any more than that. I folks, I absolutely believe the source. I

believe this to be accurate. Um, let me let me go back to you, Lynn. Can you react to that?

that what I just relayed uh and and because that was what was uh sent in some kind of electronic communication back to this person that that knew Joanie.

You see what happens with people that travel down the path of narcissism,

they get to a place where they are so full of themselves they believe all of

their lies. They believe they’re above reproach and at that point they literally just

cannot turn around and face the truth because the truth brings a big problem.

When you’re confronted with the truth and you acknowledge the truth now you are required to make a decision.

So [clears throat] what’s easier is to be willfully blind and hang on to your story, the story

that works for you and then everyone else is wrong. And so again, Joanie used Susie as the scapegoat, but she was

doing that early on. Susie told us that when people would come on the set, guest speakers and ministers, Joanie would

pull them off to the side and say, “Oh, uh, Susie’s a Jezebel. Susie’s causing problems. And Susie was like, she just

didn’t want to tell the world that she approved of Joanie and Doug’s marriage.

And she wanted, you know, Baby Lamb’s situation to be um dealt with, you know, in a professional, honest, uh, forthright manner.

John, do you have Thank you, Lynn. And John, do you have a reaction? I mean, I rattled off several things within that and I don’t want to restate it because if I I I just don’t want to restate it.

Okay, this is I’m it’s okay for me to share it the way that I did, but if I do it again, I might [laughter] break a protocol. What’s your reaction, my brother?

Well, I’ll be as brief as I can as far as uh uh uh Joanie saying that Susie

lied about what happened to the granddaughter. Did Jonathan Weiss lie as well to the Collieville police detective

when he said that Pete grabs the child, kisses the child on the lips, but JW is still employed at Dayar. Number one, as

far as Joanie and what she spent the money on. We all know that she had six massive houses. And Everett, I don’t

want to put the cart before the horse, so I’ll just Were you going to touch tonight on the donations thing from yesterday?

Uh, please do. Go ahead. Go ahead.

Well, I mean, Dayar had set up a donations uh paid for Joony’s memorial.

My first thought, sell one of those dogone houses of yours. Why are you trying to bleed more money out of the people? And whose decision was that? You

know, I don’t I don’t have any inside information on this. I’m I’m guessing it’s somebody like Arnold Torres, but you know, that’s just my opinion.

I think Joanie Lamb was defiant to the end and just it I I just the wickedness

the wickedness of uh completely othering Lifton’s eight dispensing of criteria or

dispensing of existence. um just it’s just like he did not exist anymore and was able to enforce that. That’s why I’m

comfortable with that graphic I showed you that you just don’t get any more cultlike than that. Lynn, if it staying in the same train of

thought, there is one uh video clip that I pulled that uh you

had pointed out to me last night and I I kind of feel like we’re going to keep this a little briefer than I thought we might. Um just because I am really

shocked of what happened to James White and I’m really really really shocked.

I’m shocked that people can’t be just more decent. the idea of Jonathan Lamb, and I believe this to be the case. This

is accurate, reliable people that have relayed this. Jonathan Lamb allowed to be in the building sitting in the back

seat. I just I don’t have a place in my brain for that, Lynn. Um, go ahead, please bail me out because I’m I don’t want to go on a rant.

It’s heartbreaking, but again, you know, I’m gonna preface this for a moment.

People may say that we are being um insensitive.

Um we’re not honoring the departed. But what we have to be careful is that we don’t get caught up in this collective

gaslight of oh my gosh, how wonderful was dayar and how many people they fed and how many orphanages they opened and

how many, you know, things they did with their ministry money and how many souls were saved. It’s an apostate ministry.

They were preaching a false gospel. They were preaching a different Jesus first and foremost. Secondly, when we talk

about Joanie Lamb and her control over all of it, because as soon as Marcus took his last breath, she put on a full

face of makeup and ran right in front of the cameras in the Day Star building and said, “Here I am. I’m the president.” From that moment on, she’s controlled

every single thing. She knew she was going to pass away. Joanie planned every last detail of her own funeral.

Guaranteed. Guaranteed. And we have to remember that again.

[clears throat] It’s it was all about her narrative.

If she couldn’t keep control of that narrative, then all of the donors go away. The ministry falls apart. They

lose all of their access to, you know, power and money. And so she had to control that at all costs unto death.

[sighs and gasps]

And that’s I’m gonna attempt this and I think if we can pull this next feat off, we may we may call this a wrap because I’m I I’m

just again I’m I’m shell shocked. But all right, I’m g set this up. I’m going to go to the clip that you recommended, Lynn. Um last night was it my head spin.

I showed the documentation of the $20 million

loan that Dayar made to Gateway Church, which is where the funeral was held

today. I showed the release of lean on that loan that was hands-ed by Marcus

Lamb, which just leads the question like uh and that was in 2012. like

when Mima and Papa were given, you know, their last bit of their social security check to save souls in Africa or

somewhere else, did they did they really know that they were helping to build a stockpile big enough to just decide to

loan $20 million to Gateway Church? But that being said, I’m going to play this and I Lynn, I I This is Robert Morris.

certain times I looked at the clock as I begin to pray and it was 10:46 in the morning. I just saw that and I began to

pray and I began to pray and I began to pray and pretty soon I’m in my vehicle all by myself. There was no one parked

around me because it was um cold at the lake. It wasn’t the summer.

Now, and I’ll just say, uh, Lynn, in this message, he’s preaching about how to overcome the Jezebel spirit, and it,

I mean, some of this stuff sounds good, but in the middle of it, he weaves something, and when we get there, I’m

going to ask you to explain it to everybody. I’m the only one parked on the shore.

It’s probably a good thing. And so, pretty soon, I’m shouting. I am tearing down this stronghold, this principality

in power over this area, over the church. I’m breaking. I’m I’m just, you know, you’ve had these times. I mean, I’m shouting. My voice is sore. I’m

shouting. I’m crying. I’m repenting for tolerating this, God. Please forgive me.

Forgive the church. Remove the curse that I brought on the church for tolerating this in our leadership, God.

And I’m I am praying and I’m okay. When I finish it, I’m I’m shouting now.

Hallelujah. Hallelujah. I feel it. It’s broken. I know it’s broken. I I still got to deliver the letter, handle all

the junk, but it’s done. It’s done in the spirit. Are y’all you you following me? I’m shouting, “Hallelujah.

Hallelujah. Hallelujah.” I’m just excited. It’s just unbelievable. I look at the clock. It’s 11:46.

60 minutes, 1 hour. And thank you, God.

Thank you, God. I just can’t believe it’s done. Okay. The phone rings right then. The phone rings.

I pick the phone up. it’s a member of our church. And he says to me, “Robert,

do we have all the finances for the church, for the new building? Do we have all the loans that we need?”

And I said, “No, actually, we don’t.” I didn’t say, that’s all I said.

He said, ‘Well, my wife and I were praying and we would like to loan the church $20 million.

A a person, a family in our church, he didn’t know. The bank

said, “You need 20 million.” And it happened after I dealt with this. I’m gonna stop

right there, Lynn. Uh, okay. When we’re listening to him preach

and he’s talking about the spirit of Jezebel, and that’s the end where he says he got his miracle after he dealt

with that spirit of Jezebel in his church. And then he says the phone rang.

a mysterious member of the church and their wife want to give us $20 million.

Exactly what we needed. And these people had no idea that we needed $20 million.

And that was Marcus and Joanie Lamb.

That was Marcus and Joanie Lamb. I saw that video of Robert Morris years ago.

And when I watched your video last night, I was like, “Wait a minute. He has a testimony about something like that with, you know, millions and

millions of dollars. And I found the video and sent it to you because I thought it was so telling. This is why

Jesus said, “We know a tree by its fruit.” That man is a liar. That man wasn’t

doing anything with the spirit of Jezebel other than giving her a platform. And we know that that’s a spirit, not necessarily a female. But

that spirit of Jezebel is a is a spirit of control and power. It’s what Joanie exemplified. That spirit seeks to

illegitimately lay hold of the platforms and the power of God while they silence the prophets, which is the truth tellers

by like throwing them out of the funeral like they did with James today so that they can plunder the inheritance of

Christ. They want to steal and rob from God’s people and really just basically use them, abuse them, and run them over um for their own self aggrandisement.

But Robert Morris is a liar. He said he got that miracle in 2009. In 2007, he

had his attorney in a back room try to force Cindy Clemshshire to sign an NDA and give her a measly $25,000 to cover a lifetime of counseling.

They’re treacherous and they’re getting exposed. And God is not done. He I believe that really God is just getting started.

Uh, Pastor John. Um, and and isn’t this folks, I gotta tell the audience here.

It’s I don’t want to brag. It’s not Well, I do want to brag on my fellow podcasters, but I just want to explain something. It isn’t it amazing how you

saw something in a program last night, but the Holy Spirit, and I pray for y’all’s memory every day, just in case you don’t know. I do. I pray for that’s

another issue. But the Holy Spirit can just take you back to something that you might have seen years ago and you go,

“Wait a minute.” Um, so that’s just kind of how it works, folks. So, let me I want to go to Pastor Jonas for a minute

and and I but I’ll point out without doing a famous Ohio for freedom back upism and replaying the clip. He said, “Pastor John, that at the end of that

hour, like right when he dealt with it, uh, that his phone rang, Pastor John,

how many people, members of Gateway Church just happened to have Robert Morris’s

personal cell phone number, do you think, sir?” Oh, I’m I’m guessing it’s in the 1% U range right there. Ever, I

wanted to make my comment short because if it’s okay, I’d like to yield back to you. Look, I’m usually on your

broadcast, I’m usually sitting here with my phone uh in the chat with everybody else and I I think I speak on behalf of

a lot of your viewers. Everett, I think we would like to hear your opinion going back to what you were uh saying about Jonathan and Susie being seated in the back. What are your thoughts on that?

Well, well, my well, my thought on that is that it’s it’s it’s completely disgusting. And the reason that I went

and showed that graphic that says that Dayar is like many churches and

especially unfortunately Pentecostal charismatic ministries. I’m very Pentecostal. I’m very charismatic and

I’m not saying all but more than you think are actually

a cult is operating the church on the outside.

you want to interact with the greater uh population and the real population and the real Christian population. But these

ministries and churches that I’m describing, as you get into that middle circle and inner circle, you have to

become more and more cultlike. And what you literally see with what happened with if Jonathan was s had forced to sit

on the outside row at his own mother’s funeral, that is Lifton’s eighth criteria. the dispensing of existence.

It’s it it it’s too bad for Dayar that they even had to let him in the building, but if they didn’t, that would

have been blowback to the greater population that they’re attempting to deceive. And so, they allowed that, but

they are proving their cult-like structure. So, having said that though, I want to I do want to get back to this

this clip that I played of of Robert Morris. And I’ll just say that it the whole story is so contrived, Lynn.

People people in a in a mega church, it’s not like everybody has his personal cell phone, but he’s making it sound

that way. And he’s describing this, we just felt we needed to loan you $20

million. He is saying a member of the church and his wife were praying. And

he’s he’s relaying this as though these are just two private individuals. Cuz

you know, Lynn, you and I both, we have lots of friends that just happen to have $20 million laying around that they can loan out if they feel led to, right?

Amen. [laughter] Yes, it is. It’s ridiculous. Also,

Robert Morris was the family pastor of the Lamb family. He performed all of

their marriages and and probably, you know, baptisms and um Marcus’s funeral.

He officiated that as well. He was also the apostolic overseer of the Dayar network. He was the day star pastor and

overseer. So, are we really to believe that Joanie, knowing all about Cindy Clemshshire and how she was going to

take down Robert Morris, didn’t know that Robert Morris needed $20 million to finish his building fund, you know, his building program? Like, no, they knew.

They absolutely knew. But they want us to believe that they didn’t. And that’s such it’s such deception. It’s wicked.

and they’re still attending his church.

They they they know this and it doesn’t matter. They’re still attending the church. They’re still uh loaning out the

money and they’re still selling him airtime uh at about seven grand per half hour.

Uh it’s John, isn’t that kind of like incestuous, my bro? Bro, uh 100%. And I think uh there are so

many programmers that are on uh Dayar that there’s an incestuous relationship with. So yeah, it’s pathetic. It’s pathetic.

Y’all, it’s been a long day. We have a lot of newcomers on the live stream.

Thank you for being here. Of course, subscribe to Ohio for Freedom if you wish. Um, I do want to announce that on Wednesday night I am going to be joined

by our dear friend Vanessa Johnson and we are going to give the latest on the

Tom Cassie trial that has been once again the date’s been moved. It hasn’t the the the

new date hasn’t been announced and it looks a little suspicious, but we’re we’re going to give you all the latest

on that. Y’all, it’s been a long day for yours truly. I’m sure it’s been a long day for you. Um, but I want to give

y’all a chance to have a last word. And so, I’m going to begin with Pastor John and then uh close with uh with with

Lynn. John, just final final observations on this whole debacle uh that we’ve witnessed today.

I think the two biggest events today were uh probably uh James White basically getting kicked out of the

memorial service. I didn’t, you know, I don’t see him as a guy that was going to go and pull all the fire alarms and

[laughter]

uh you know, take his shirt off and have it painted with, you know, free Jonathan or something like that. That was pretty

pathetic. But the what took the the cake for me was Jonathan and Susie sitting on the back. Just humble Jonathan and

Susie. And uh uh I I hope the decision makers at Dayar are happy, but everyone

is seeing it. And I’ll bet you, Everett, that someone at least one someone took a photo of Jonathan and Susie sitting in the back.

And I bet you that thing circulates and there’s going to be a firestorm.

And there needs to be when people show you who they are, believe them. Pastor John, I’m going to say uh goodbye and we’ll see you soon and then I’m going to

turn it over to Miss Lynn to close us up. Thank you very much for taking time to be with us, sir. Good night, guys.

Okay. God bless. God bless. Miss Lynn,

[cough]

[clears throat] I really feel Yeah.

that there’s some people you may want to speak to and um I’m going to don’t feel

constrained by my directive, but if there’s still anybody that’s on the

outer edges of that whole web of narcissism and that whole web of intrigue and deceit, maybe you can plead

with them. But I’m just going to ask you to close us out. Take take five minutes. I don’t 10 what? Just clo close us out.

And um uh I would just like to hear your thoughts, ma’am.

Okay. I think it’s so important to remember when we think about Dayar

that we think about the people that have been run over by this ministry.

I think, you know, when we look at a large ministry like this and we see the numbers of salvations and of people

reached and of lives changed and transformed, again, we get caught up into this collective gaslight of

thinking that these things are really bringing salvation to the earth. But we

know that by looking at the fruit of the leaders in this movement that they are preaching a different gospel. They are

preaching a different Jesus. And this is why the podcasters are here because we

are calling out to the people that have been used, abused, hurt, run over, mistreated, um abused in every kind of way from

financially to physically, emotionally, and mentally and spiritually. And we want to give them hope. First of all, we

want to tell them you were never really introduced to Jesus. They were preaching a false Christ to you. Because the Jesus

that we love and follow, the Jesus that Jonathan Lamb and Suzy and their family follow, he’s the Jesus of Isaiah 61.

He came to bind up the brokenhearted and set the captives free.

When you are in a place where you are being abused spiritually, you’re not only injured in your soul,

but your identity is actually stolen from you. And Jesus in Isaiah 61 says he

came to open up the eyes of the blind and open up deaf ears and give us joy

and give us restoration and set the captives free.

Jesus came to set us free from the systems of this world. He came to set us free from sin and death. But the other

part of the gospel, being set free indeed, is being set free from spiritual slavery to men and women that want to

insert themselves in between us and our heavenly father.

And so this whole movement that God has started, he started with all of us at the same time, all in different places

all around the world. We all heard the voice of the Holy Spirit and we showed up. But the whole purpose of this

movement is to reach the people of God with the good news of Jesus Christ. He

loves you. God isn’t an a stern taskmaster.

He’s not looking for you to tithe every last penny and give every last ounce of your life to some church. He wants a

relationship with you. And that happens outside of the four walls. That happens oneonone with the Holy Spirit and your

Bible. And so my prayer for everyone that’s listening that has been injured by a ministry like this is that you’d give God one more chance.

Amen. Just give God one more try.

Just go sit down with your Bible. Even if you haven’t opened it up in 20 years, go sit down with your Bible. Ask God to

speak to you. Ask the Holy Spirit to lead you and guide you into all truth about how much he loves you and how

precious you are in his sight. Because God truly truly does love those that are called by his name and that have been

injured by these terrible ministries that preach a false gospel and a different Jesus.

Amen. Lynn, thank you very much. You and I were going to kind of discuss the truths and false nar whatever. We were

going to sort of do a a dissection of the funeral. Um, which was

going to be live cast and it wasn’t livereamed. Uh, so I guess we’re going to have to leave that work to our dear sister Laura Lynn Tyler Thompson

tomorrow night. I may be taking the day off, Lynn, but I would uh encourage everybody

Please pray for Jonathan Lamb, Susie Lamb, and that the mighty hand of God

continue to be upon them. Lynn, I’m going to say thank you very much for being with us, and we’ll be we’ll you and I will be in touch soon. Again,

thanks for being with us, and I know that you’ve encouraged a lot of people tonight.

Thanks for having me. God bless everybody. We love you, Jonathan, and Susie. Bye bye, y’all. I’m We’re just gonna gonna gonna

wrap it up. I want to encourage uh tomorrow night is going to be a very special night uh on Laura Lynn’s program. I just how do I know that? I

don’t know. I just know it. And it’s going to be historic and it’s going to be something you want to tune into and

you’re going to want to follow what’s happening. I don’t know what’s going to happen with Dayar. Uh but I think people are very very very very very informed.

Um, I’m going to take a couple of minutes minutes just to say that if you would like to support the work that we do here at Ohio for Freedom. Um, the

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some other things. And I really really appreciate it. And it was just a package that came to Ohio for Freedom, PO Box 344, Mason, Ohio 455040.

And I know a lot of people have asked, and yes, sometime this week, I hope to be unveiling

the chair, the chair that swivels. So, Wednesday night, I will be joined by uh our dear sister, Attorney Vanessa

Johnson. And we need to put some eyeballs and turn some attention to this uh Tom Cassie. uh son of Direinda and

Gary Cassi. That case uh it’s we’re not going to let it just slink away unnoticed. And so folks, I’m going to

jump off here. Until and thank you so much for being with us. We so appreciate it. And until next time, God bless you.

God bless your family. We always ask that God bless the uh state of Ohio from which we originate, the United States of America. And we send our greetings to

all of our dear brothers and sisters around the world. Good night, y’all.

Sweet sound of freedom and it won’t be long.