Keith Darrell on Unhitching You from Andy Stanley:
Daniel Whyte III, president of Gospel Light Society, previously said the following:
Andy Stanley is a ‘False Prophet’ and I Am Calling on Respected Christian Leaders Across the Nation and Around the Globe, Such as Al Mohler, David Jeremiah, John MacArthur, Franklin Graham, Tony Evans, Jack Graham, Greg Laurie, and Harry Jackson, to Stop Giving Him the Benefit of the Doubt and Rebuke Him Harshly and Openly as a False Prophet Who Has Taught Heresy for Years; I Am Also Calling on Dallas Theological Seminary and Other Seminary Presidents to Condemn This Heresy, for All Christian Bookstores to Cease Carrying His Books and Materials, and for All Young Pastors to Stop Using His Philosophy, Vision, and Materials. And Yes, I Am Calling on Our Beloved Dr. Charles Stanley and Pastor of His Home Church, First Baptist Church Atlanta, to Pull Andy Stanley and Sit Him Down Until He Recants and Repents and is Willing to Clear Up the Mess He Has Caused.
People, I never thought I would have to deal with something like this, and I really don’t feel like dealing with something like this, and I really do not have the time to deal with something like this.
Now, I have never really taken Andy Stanley seriously as a preacher. I thought he was just Charles Stanley’s son, and I thought he would just do the right thing doing what he is doing and at least keep to sound doctrine but when he has said crazy things in the past I would rebuke it and sometimes do it in a light fashion as so many other people have done because we never thought that the son of Charles Stanley would allow the devil to use him to do harm to the Church.
But, unfortunately, there is overwhelming evidence that Andy Stanley is being used by the devil and used by satanically-driven political giants to rip the Church apart because the powers that be have kissed him to be the Pied Piper to cause homosexuality and homosexual marriage to be accepted in the Church wholesale, and he has been assigned by the devil and these principalities, powers, and political giants to target and to destroy the foundation of the Christian faith.
Come to find out, in a recent video, he was a prime target because, by his own admission, he has never been called by God to preach. He said he was a volunteer, and so as the Bible said, or as Andy Stanley would say, Paul said in Galatians 2:4, “false brethren unawares [were] brought in”, and as Peter said in 1 Peter 2:1, “there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction”, and that is what has happened.
Sadly, thousands of people are being led and deceived by a blind volunteer leading the blind.
Also, people who are receiving money and free materials from Andy Stanley and his organization need to make sure their silence is not being bought, because there is a strange, demonic silence about potentially the biggest Judas, false prophet, and heresy since the early church.
Below is documented video proof that Andy Stanley is being used by the devil as a false prophet to lead astray potentially millions because of his influence with many young pastors who look up to him because of the size of his church.
Ken Ham Calls Andy Stanley a ‘False Teacher’
Answers in Genesis founder and president Ken Ham is calling Georgia pastor Andy Stanley a “false teacher” for comments Stanley made in a recent sermon on the connection between Christianity and the Old Testament.
Ham’s comments on June 22 sparked a lively discussion on his social media accounts, with some taking Ham’s side and others defending Stanley.
“Is Andy Stanley a false teacher?” Ham asked on his Facebook page and Twitter feed. “He compromises Genesis and certainly teaches that those of us who insist all the Bible (including OT) is true are putting a stumbling block in people’s way to hearing the gospel. But it’s Stanley who is undermining God’s Word — yes, a false teacher.”
Ham also discussed Stanley’s sermon in the June 22 episode of Answers News. He posted a clip of Stanley’s sermon on his social media accounts. Stanley is senior pastor of North Point Community Church.
“Many have lost faith because of something about the Bible or in the Bible – the Old Testament in particular,” Stanley says in the clip. “Once they can no longer accept all the historicity of the Old Testament, once they couldn’t go along with all the miracles, once somebody poked a hole in the Genesis creation, you know, myth – once all that went away suddenly their house-of-cards faith came tumbling down because they were taught it’s all true, it’s all God’s Word and if you find one part that’s not true [then] uh-oh the whole thing comes tumbling down.
“[But] not Christianity. The Bible did not create Christianity,” Stanley adds. “The resurrection of Jesus created Christianity and launched Christianity. Your whole house of Old Testament cards can come tumbling down [but] the question is: Did Jesus rise from the dead? And the eyewitnesses said He did. I know that’s a little disturbing for some of us. I know for many of you, this is liberating. As one close friend of mine said who was in her 60s, she said, ‘I finally understand.’”
Ham played additional clips of Stanley’s sermons on Answer News.
More than 500 people on Ham’s social media accounts discussed his charge.
“[Stanley] doesn’t know the person he claims to believe in,” Ian Davidson wrote on Facebook. “Jesus said … ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’”
Others, though, said Ham had crossed the line.
“Very disheartening to see further division,” Chad Loflin (@Chad Loflin) wrote on Twitter. “@AndyStanley is simply reaching to the skeptics of certain areas of biblical teaching. Our hope is in the resurrection as established by OT, but the New Covenant can stand alone! Make a difference instead of making a point.”
SOURCE: Christian Headlines, Michael Foust
WATCH: Andy Stanley is not called to preach by his own admission, and Jeff Durbin of Apologia Church lovingly destroys Andy Stanley’s false teaching on why the church ought to unhitch from the Old Testament, and his book, “Irresistible”
1. If Andy Stanley is not called to preach, maybe he needs to step aside and let somebody who is called to preach take over the work.
2. Andy Stanley needs to stand down at this point or somebody needs to sit him down because, even though people love him because he is God’s son and Charles Stanley’s son, he is causing great demonic confusion in the body of Christ, especially with young, impressionable pastors who think, because of his church’s size in Atlanta, he is always right, and he is wrong on this.
3. What Andy Stanley is doing is what so many so-called megapastors do: in an attempt to be original, they overthink things and they create stuff that does not really help anybody; it just sounds new when it is not. It’s the same old stuff the devil started years ago.
4. As we have said before, the real motive behind Andy Stanley’s demonic, heretical idea of unhitching the church from the Old Testament, which is impossible to do, is because, for some reason, he wants to allow homosexuals and homosexual couples in the church and he wants other churches to do it as well. (Watch the second tape all the way through and you will see that, out of the blue, Andy Stanley will throw in homosexuality just to see if anybody bites.)
5. We hope this is not an attempt of a son trying to outshine his father. We all know there have been some issues in the past. But, lest he get it twisted, he will never be as great as his father Charles Stanley because all of that is a God thing.
6. Andy Stanley told the story of a lady who told him he is a great communicator. Quite frankly, that is debatable. But what is not debatable is that he is wasting a whole lot of time and doing great damage communicating the wrong thing.
7. We are amazed at the amount of love, admiration, and respect that people are showing towards Andy even though he is as wrong as the devil in this matter, but somebody with authority over him (or a revolt from some of the young preachers who follow him) needs to go to Atlanta and say to him, “thou art the man and you need to knock it off,” and he needs to denounce this heretical idea and this book. Strangely, Andy asks the question in the book, ‘why would I write this book and ruin my career?’ Well, Andy, because of the love of God in the saints for you, you had better denounce this book and this heretical false teaching or your career as far as being a national leader is over.
Andy Stanley Has Lost His Theological Mind. His Statement That The Church Should Unhitch Itself From the Old Testament is Heretical and Blasphemous and the Young Silly-Minded Pastors Who Follow His Every Move Need to Now Unhitch Themselves From Andy Stanley
One of the curious things that we see among many “evangelical” pastors is they feel the strange need to think and innovate themselves into absolute stupidity. In an attempt to be the first to say something shocking and profound, they say the dumbest things that have no basis in the Bible whatsoever, and because this borderline heretic has a large “church” that loves to “hear some new thing” and to get their ears tickled we’ll have a thousand silly-minded pastors go right into their pulpit on Sunday with a new demonic philosophy and repeat this heresy and blasphemy. Andy, you need to go visit your father Charles for a good butt-whipping. By the way, Andy, you are treading on dangerous ground. Revelation 22:19 says, “And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” And here you are trying to take away the whole Old Testament.
I believe that what Andy Stanley is doing is a veiled, demonic attempt to “unhitch” the church from the Old Testament so that he can justify homosexuals being members of the church and homosexual marriage as he has been trying to do for years.
Now let me turn you over to a much kinder man of God who eviscerates every heretical and blasphemous statement Andy Stanley made about this important issue. He said exactly what I was going to say to rebuke Andy Stanley’s foolishness, but he said it in a much nicer way than I would have said it. So, here it is.
Dr. Michael Brown wrote:
No, Pastor Andy Stanley, We Should Not Unhitch Ourselves From the Old Testament
As followers of Jesus, should we “unhitch” ourselves from the Old Testament, as Pastor Andy Stanley recently claimed? God forbid. To do so is to make a grave mistake. It would be like “unhitching” our torsos from our legs. Or demolishing the first story of a house once the second story was completed.
Now, to be clear, Pastor Stanley has expressed his strong belief in the inspiration of the entire Bible. And he has preached lengthy series based on Old Testament books. And the purpose of his recent, controversial message is to reach those who have been turned off by religion, or who find it difficult to relate to certain Old Testament texts.
His message for them is simple: Start with Jesus! He came to introduce something totally new.
But in his zeal to reach the lost, he has dangerously overstated his case.
According to Pastor Stanley, “[First century] Church leaders unhitched the church from the worldview, value system, and regulations of the Jewish scriptures.
“Peter, James, Paul elected to unhitch the Christian faith from their Jewish scriptures, and my friends, we must as well.”
Actually, Peter, James (actually, Jacob), and Paul would be mortified by such claims.
Pastor Stanley even argued that, “Jesus’ new covenant, His covenant with the nations, His covenant with you, His covenant with us, can stand on its own two nail-scarred resurrection feet. It does not need propping up by the Jewish scriptures.”
This is so wrong on so many levels that it would take a whole book to refute. But here, at least, is a brief response. (Those wanting to dig deeper could start with Chapters 11 and 12 of my book Hyper-Grace.)
First, in Matthew 5:17-20, Jesus said that He did not come to abolish the Law or Prophets but to fulfill. In other words, He did not cancel, He confirmed (see Romans 15:8-9). He did not remove the foundations, He strengthened the foundations. Accordingly, Paul wrote, “Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law” (Romans 3:31).
In stark contrast, Pastor Stanley interpreted Jesus to be saying, “I am in fact replacing. I’m not going to change what you’ve always been taught. I’m going to challenge you to abandon what you have been taught.”
Had Jesus done this, He would rightly have been rejected as a false prophet and false teacher and false Messiah.
Did He challenge His people to reject man-made traditions? Absolutely, many times. Did He challenge them to abandon wrong things they had learned about their sacred Scriptures? Did He challenge them to abandon the sacred Scriptures themselves? Heaven forbid.
In his message, Pastor Stanley said that “the Law and the Prophets, the old covenant, had an expiration date.” But it is this imprecision that is so dangerous, since “the old covenant,” meaning the Sinai Covenant, did have an expiration date on it (see Jeremiah 31:31-34). The Law and the Prophets – the Jewish Scriptures – did not.
Second, contrary to Pastor Stanley’s claim that the early Church leaders made it easier for Gentile converts by unhitching their faith from “the Jewish Scriptures,” the New Testament writers called Gentile believers to follow the moral ethic of these very Scriptures.
Paul used Old Testament texts to warn the Corinthian believers to live holy lives, writing, “Now these things happened to them [the Israelites] as an example, but they were written down for our instruction, on whom the end of the ages has come” (1 Corinthians 10:1-11, citing v. 11 here; see also 2 Corinthians 6:14-7:1, among many other passages). He also referenced the Ten Commandments when giving family instructions to the Ephesians (see Ephesians 6:1-3).
What the early Church leaders made clear in Acts 15 was that Gentile believers were not required to become Jews and take on the yoke of the Torah in order to be saved. They were not required to keep the dietary laws or the laws of ritual purity. And they were not to seek to be justified by the Law. As Peter explained, they, like the Jewish believers, were all saved by grace (Acts 15:7-11).
But throughout the New Testament, Gentiles believers were called to live holy lives, based on Old Testament teaching (see also 1 Peter 1:13-17, quoting from Leviticus; it is possible that 1 Peter was written first for Jewish believers, but it was shared with the whole Body).
Third, Pastor Stanley claims that the early Jewish believers had “no sacred texts,” a bizarre statement on every level. In fact, the Bible of the first believers, both Jewish and Gentile, was the Old Testament. You better believe they had their sacred texts!
This is what Paul spoke of in 2 Timothy 3:16 when he stated that all Scripture was God-breathed. He was talking about what we call the Old Testament today. And this is what he spoke of in Romans 15:4, when he wrote, “For whatever was written in former days was written for our instruction, that through endurance and through the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.”
And this is what Jesus spoke of when He stated that “Scripture cannot be broken” (John 10:35). That’s also why He rebuked Satan using three verses from Deuteronomy (see Matthew 4). The Old Testament is the living, breathing, indispensable Word of God, and without it, the New Testament is propped up on thin air.
Fourth, Pastor Stanley is on very shaky ground when he alleges that, even if the Old Testament were untrue, all that matters is that Jesus rose from the dead. In his words, “Your whole house of Old Testament cards can come tumbling down. The question is did Jesus rise from the dead?”
Again, this is a staggeringly dangerous claim. If the Old Testament is not true, then there is no such thing as a Messiah, the God of Israel is a myth, and the resurrection of Jesus has no context or meaning.
Pastor Stanley’s claim makes a mockery of Matthew’s opening words, “The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham” (Matthew 1:1). It makes a mockery of Jesus’ words, when He said to His disciples after His resurrection, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled” (Luke 24:44).
This claim makes a mockery of the entire New Testament, which constantly refers back to the Hebrew Scriptures. As I noted elsewhere, “some scholars claim that almost one out of three verses in the New Testament – 2,500 out of a total of 8,000 verses – contains an Old Testament quote or general allusion, while, quite solidly, it can be demonstrated that ‘more than ten percent of the New Testament text is made up of citation or direct allusions to the Old Testament.’” (Prof. Roger Nicole)
In fact, the Book of Revelation is so dependent on Old Testament references and allusions that some commentators believe that about three-fourths of the book draws directly on the Old Testament, while others have shown that there are perhaps more references to the Hebrew Scriptures in Revelation than total verses in the book.
John the Revelator, along with all the apostles, not to mention Jesus Himself, would have been astounded by Pastor Stanley’s statements, regardless of how he tried to qualify them in his message and regardless of what how good his intentions may have been.
Fifth, Pastor Stanley states that the New Testament message is “liberating for people who need and understand grace, who need and understand forgiveness. And it’s liberating for people who find it virtually impossible to embrace the dynamic, the worldview, and the values system depicted in the story of Ancient Israel.”
What He fails to acknowledge is that the Old Testament Scriptures also bring a glorious revelation of grace (read Psalm 103, for starters). They also give us the clearest theological statement about vicarious atonement anywhere in the Bible (I’m speaking of Isaiah 53). It is anything but liberating to ignore verses like this. And the “worldview” of ancient Israel was, in many ways, the worldview of the apostles.
As for people today stumbling over Old Testament texts and Old Testament images of God, the fact is that, in the Sermon on the Mount alone, Jesus spoke of the punishment of hell fire more than all Old Testament writers combined. Is not hell the greater moral issue?
And in the Book of Revelation, Jesus gave this warning to sinners in the church of Thyatira: “Behold, I will throw her onto a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her I will throw into great tribulation, unless they repent of her works, 23 and I will strike her children dead. And all the churches will know that I am he who searches mind and heart, and I will give to each of you according to your works” (Revelation 2:22-23). Are not these disturbing as well?
And what of the Great White Throne judgment in Revelation 20:11-15? Might that upset some people today too?
Sixth, in his zeal to reach the unchurched and to recover those burned by traditional religion, Pastor Stanley forgets that the Old Testament also tells us the story of Israel, including Israel’s blessed future. (For the record, the story of Israel was important for the Gentile converts as well; that’s why Paul can freely reference the Passover in his writings; see 1 Corinthians 5:7-8.)
Cut out the Old Testament, and you cut out much of Israel’s destiny, which all believers should understand. Cut out the Old Testament, and you also cut out the destiny of the nations (see, for example, Isaiah 2:1-4 and Acts 3:17-21).
And, to be frank, once you yield to the critics on the authority and relevance and inspiration of the Old Testament, you will find yourself yielding to them on the authority and relevance and inspiration of the New Testament.
Back in the days of the heretic Marcion in the second century, the Church had to reject calls to sever itself from its Old Testament roots. (Marcion, to be clear, was far more extreme in his beliefs than Pastor Stanley.) Yet this heresy has risen again in different forms over time, some more severe than others. (At one point, Nazi theologians actually rewrote the New Testament to disconnect it from its Jewish roots.)
A pastor as influential as Andy Stanley needs to distance himself from such heresies, making a public, clear, and unequivocal correction that undoes the confusion he has caused. (He knows that I write this a friend, out to help, not to hurt.)
He can preach against legalism and against Judaizing, exalting the grace of God and celebrating the newness of the New Covenant, without undermining the very foundations on which that New Covenant is established. I will wholeheartedly join him in that, just as I wholeheartedly urge him to bring correction to his recent comments.
(I sent Pastor Stanley an advance copy of this article for review before posting. He expressed his appreciation for me sending it to him, felt that in reality, we are not that far apart, but said that he stood by his comments, in context. And he strongly encouraged those who have concerns to listen to his entire, relevant series, since he crafts his series as other leaders craft individual messages.)
Andy, there is no possible context in your series that would make us understand your heretical statement.
– David Paul
Can a Pastor Who Supports the Abomination of Homosexuality in Any Way, Shape, Form, or Fashion Be Considered One of the Top 12 Most Effective Pastors? We Think Not.
Any pastor who is not against the abomination of homosexuality and allows homosexuals to become members and marry is NOT AN EFFECTIVE PASTOR, whether they are named that by Baylor, Truett, or any other organization, so at least two pastors should not be on this list. We’ll let you pick the two.
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. – Leviticus 18:22
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. – 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Andy Stanley said, “We just need to decide from now on in our churches when a Middle School kid comes out to his small group leader or a high school young lady comes out to her parents.We just need to decide, regardless of what you think about this topic — no more students are going to feel like they have to leave the local church because they’re same-sex attracted or because they’re gay. That ends with us. There is not consensus in this room when it comes to same-sex attraction. There is not consensus in this room when it comes to gay marriage. We just can’t continue to look into the filter of our politics at our spirituality. Its got to be the other way around … and specifically when it comes to this issue.”
Otis Moss III wrote this letter asking legislators to vote in favor of homosexual marriage:
My purpose in writing you is to encourage you to stand with me and other faith leaders, to support SB 10, the Religious Freedom and Marriage Fairness Act. There is no doubt people who are same-gender loving occupy a prominent space in the body of Christ. We recognize the fingerprint of the Divine upon all humanity. We also acknowledge that God’s ethic of love charges us to support the civil rights of all members of the human community.
Religious Freedom is a paramount constitutional ideal; protecting the autonomy of religious institutions to practice our faith without the imposition and the encumbrances of any outside authority, including the State.
Senate Bill 10 protects religious freedom while extending the freedom to marry for all couples, including same-sex couples in Illinois.
The Religious Freedom and Marriage Fairness Act allows us to recognize and celebrate the diversity of our religious heritages, institutional practices, and beliefs on a range of theological and social issues, while holding harmless, those clergy and faith institutions that elect not to officiate same-sex unions. This is not a matter of theology, but simply a matter of public policy grounded in democratic ideals whereby we protect all citizens under the law.
We stand on the three pillars.
1. We feel called to “live our faith and not legislate our faith” for the Constitution is designed to guarantee fundamental protections for all persons. We have learned to be more than a one-issue community and to seek the beloved community where we may not all agree, but we all recognize the fingerprint of the Divine upon all of humanity.
2. While we affirm the plurality of perspectives, we stand united and in solidarity in affirming the principle of equal protection under the law for all citizens of the United States of America. We believe that the values that ought to inform our public engagement as residents of Illinois are the principles that unite us rather than the beliefs that distinguish us.
3. We deeply respect the right of religious institutions to define marriage in accordance with their practices, beliefs, and doctrines, and this law in no way infringes upon that freedom. The religious exemption language in the Religious Freedom and Marriage Fairness Act is clear that members of the clergy or religious institutions are held legally harmless should they elect not to acknowledge any civil marriage that is not compatible with their religious beliefs.
We understand the State’s responsibility to ensure that all families of the State of Illinois are treated equally under the law.
Therefore, we respectfully ask you to vote in favor of the Religious Freedom and Marriage Fairness Act.
Rev. Dr. Otis Moss III
Trinity United Church of Christ
– David Paul
Here We Go Again: Andy Stanley Says the Ten Commandments Are ‘the Old Covenant’ and Don’t Apply to Christians
Christians should quit erecting Ten Commandments displays and should instead consider making monuments dedicated to the Sermon on the Mount, popular pastor Andy Stanley said.
In a column published by Relevant Magazine, the North Point Community Church pastor argued that the Ten Commandments are “the old covenant” and no longer apply to believers.
“[I]f we’re going to create a monument to stand as a testament to our faith, shouldn’t it at least be a monument of something that actually applies to us?” he posed.
“Participants in the new covenant (that’s Christians) are not required to obey any of the commandments found in the first part of their Bibles,” wrote Stanley. “Participants in the new covenant are expected to obey the single command Jesus issued as part of his new covenant: as I have loved you, so you must love one another.”
This new commandment is “a replacement for everything in the existing list. Including the big ten,” he maintained. “Just as his new covenant replaced the old covenant, Jesus’ new commandment replaced all the old commandments.”
Stanley went on to say that he believed so much of the evils committed by churches over history were connected to them trying to mix aspects of the old covenant with Christianity and that although “Jesus was foreshadowed in the old covenant, he did not come to extend it.”
“Dear Christian reader: Why? Why? Why would we even be tempted to reach back beyond the cross to borrow from a covenant that was temporary and inferior to the covenant established for us at Calvary?” Stanley continued.
“The author of Hebrews says it best. Jesus was the ‘guarantor of a better covenant’ (Hebrews 7:22). Later he writes, ‘the new covenant is established on better promises.’ Besides, you weren’t included in the old covenant to begin with! So why are we fighting to build monuments to it?”
Stanley’s comments echo the arguments he made in his recent book, Irresistible: Reclaiming the New that Jesus Unleashed for the World, which was released last September.
In the book, Stanley spoke about “old covenant leftovers,” stating that he believed Christians had “an uncomfortable history and habit of selectively rebranding aspects of God’s covenant with Israel and smuggling them into the ekklesia of Jesus.”
Stanley wrote that while the covenant God made with ancient Israel was “divinely ordained,” it was also “temporary,” adding, “Careless mixing and matching of old and new covenant values and imperatives make the current version of our faith unnecessarily resistible.”
Last year, Stanley garnered controversy when he argued in an April sermon that Christians should “unhitch” themselves from the Old Testament.
To justify this, Stanley cited Acts 15, which described how early church leaders decided that Gentile converts did not need to strictly observe Jewish law to become Christians.
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SOURCE: Christian Post, Michael Gryboski
Andy Stanley, You Really Like to Play Around the Edges Don’t You? Why He Quit Saying ‘The Bible Says’ While Still Loving the Bible
North Point Community Church Senior Pastor Andy Stanley recently explained to popular radio host and Messianic Jewish author Michael Brown why he’s quit using the term “the Bible says.”
In an episode of Brown’s podcast “Line of Fire” that aired Monday afternoon, Stanley explained why, although he considers the Good Book inerrant, the term “the Bible says” doesn’t work with those he’s trying to evangelize.
“Once upon a time that was very effective in our country. Those days are long gone. But unfortunately, church leaders still want to leverage ‘the Bible says,’ which is great for people who take the Bible seriously,” said Stanley.
“It’s not my audience. … I’m trying to recapture the imagination of people, adults and students who’ve left because of what else is in the Bible or because everyone is one click away from information or misinformation about the Bible.”
Stanley described Christianity as “an event-based faith,” telling Brown that he believes if people come to accept Jesus’ Resurrection, “their confidence in the Old Testament and their interest, most importantly, in the Old Testament flourishes.”
“And this is exactly what happened historically,” Stanley continued. “When did Gentiles suddenly get excited about the Old Testament? After they fell in love with a Jew.”
Stanley requested the interview with Brown to respond to concerns about a sermon he preached earlier this year in which he said that Christians should “unhitch” themselves from the Old Testament.
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Source: Christian Post
We at BCNN1 would encourage you to follow the mature, dignified, spiritual approach to handling Andy Stanley’s statements that Albert Mohler and the Baptist Press have outlined. However, we frankly, but lovingly, say that what Andy Stanley has stated is a satanic abomination from hell. And he not only needs to clear this up, but he needs to repent of allowing himself to be led by Satan to utter such abominations from hell. On top of that, he needs to stop drinking Jack Daniels before he preaches. We say this in Christian love.
Megachurch pastor Andy Stanley is being criticized for a recent sermon illustration involving a gay couple in which Stanley labeled adultery, but not homosexuality, a sin.
Stanley preached the sermon April 15 which had been discussed on a handful of blogs in subsequent days before gaining wider attention May 1 when Southern Baptist Theological Seminary President R. Albert Mohler Jr. wrote about it on his website.
“The story was so well told and the message so well constructed that there can be little doubt of its meaning. Does this signal the normalization of homosexuality at North Point Community Church?” Mohler wrote of Stanley’s congregation, which is nondenominational and located in Alpharetta, Ga. “This hardly seems possible, but it appeared to be the implication of the message.”
Stanley’s sermon, titled “When Gracie Met Truthy,” focused on the tension Stanley said exists between Jesus’ teachings on grace and truth. The sermon was part five in a series on the meaning of “Christian.”
To illustrate that tension, Stanley — who has preached at the Southern Baptist Pastors’ Conference and is the son of Charles Stanley — told a 10-minute story about a husband and wife who attended North Point. The wife discovered that her husband was in a relationship with another man, and about six months later, Stanley said, the husband and wife divorced. But several months after that, the now ex-husband showed up at North Point — with his partner. Their presence together angered the ex-wife.
“She got in his face, and she said, ‘This is my church, you caused this problem. You can go to any church you want to in Atlanta, but this is my church. I need a … drama-free zone,'” Stanley said.
The gay couple did go to another church — Buckhead Church, which is one of North Point’s campus churches that shows Stanley’s messages on a large screen.
Stanley — who used graphics of stick figures during the sermon to illustrate his point — said he learned about the gay couple’s attendance at Buckhead Church during a conversation with the woman. She told him that not only was the gay couple attending Buckhead, but that they were serving on one of the church’s “guest services teams.”
“And so, I said to her, ‘He’s still married, right?'” Stanley recounted, referencing the ex-husband’s partner. “She said, ‘Yeah, the divorce has taken longer than they expected. It’s kind of getting dragged out.'”
Stanley then called the ex-husband on the phone.
“I called my buddy and said, ‘OK, I know things have been awkward between us, but look — and I’m glad you’re in church, that’s a good thing, and I’m glad you’re at one of our churches, that’s a good thing — but your partner, he’s still married. See, this is just good old-fashioned adultery. You’re in a sexual relationship with someone else’s husband.’ I said, ‘So you can’t be on a guest services team.'”
Stanley eventually met face to face with the couple. The couple also met with Jeff Henderson, who at the time was Buckhead’s campus director.
“Jeff said, ‘You’re married. This is just adultery. You can’t serve on a guest services team.’ Understandably, they left the church. And, you know what? If I were them and saw the world the way I saw it at the time, I would leave, too. Who wants to go to church that says, ‘Oh, we want you to come help us. … [But,] oh, you can’t help us.'”
The illustration is problematic, Mohler said, because Stanley seemed to be saying that while adultery is a sin and a barrier to service, homosexuality isn’t.
“The inescapable impression left by the account was that the sin of concern was adultery, but not homosexuality,” Mohler wrote. “Stanley clearly and repeatedly stressed the sin of adultery, but then left the reality of the homosexual relationship between the two men unaddressed as sin. To the contrary, he seemed to normalize their relationship. They would be allowed to serve on the host team if both were divorced. The moral status of their relationship seemed to be questioned only in terms of adultery, with no moral judgment on their homosexuality.”
Through Stanley’s assistant, Baptist Press requested an interview with or statement from Stanley, but was told that the illustration should be viewed through the context of the series. Earlier in the same sermon, Stanley mentioned that North Point and its campuses have gay attenders who have left predominantly gay churches.
Stanley said gay attenders tell him: “In the churches that kind of cater to gay couples, I feel like all they do is affirm my gayness. They really don’t teach the Bible. And I wanted more Bible teaching. So, Andy, I’ve come to your church, and to be honest, it’s a little scary for me. At times, I feel like I’m waiting for the other shoe to drop. At times, I’m wondering how welcome I am here. But I just don’t feel like I’m getting the whole truth at these other churches.”
Mohler said the illustration needs clarification.
“Given the volatility of this issue, ambiguity will be replaced by clarity one way or the other, and likely sooner than later,” Mohler wrote. “… What does Andy Stanley now believe about homosexuality and the church’s witness? We must pray that he will clarify the issues so graphically raised in his message, and that he will do so in a way [that] unambiguously affirms the Bible’s clear teachings — and that he will do so precisely because he loves sinners enough to tell them the truth — all the truth — about both our sin and God’s provision in Christ.”
Mohler added, “Biblical faithfulness simply does not allow for the normalization of homosexuality. We desperately want all persons to feel welcome to hear the Gospel and, responding in faith and repentance, to join with us in mutual obedience to Christ. But we cannot allow anyone, ourselves included, to come to Christ — or to church — on our own terms.”
Stanley’s illustration ended with the ex-wife forgiving her ex-husband, and she even hosted get-togethers that involved her, her daughter, her ex-husband and his partner. Eventually, she began dating a man who also had a daughter, and the get-togethers continued, with all six of them attending North Point’s Christmas service together last year.
Other bloggers also have expressed concern with Stanley’s message. One of those is Howell Scott, senior pastor of Bethel Baptist Church in Alamogordo, N.M., who wrote in an April 26 blog post that he has benefitted from Stanley’s books but has concerns over the illustration.
“After watching this message, I am confused as to how Andy Stanley would answer someone who is struggling with the sin of homosexuality,” Scott wrote. “Stanley is a master communicator and I can’t help but think that his illustration was designed to communicate a particular belief about how the church should apply grace and truth as it relates to the issue of homosexuality (although he went to great lengths to avoid mentioning homosexuality at all in his illustration). Jesus is full of ‘grace and truth.’ When the issues are blurry, we can afford to err on the side of grace. When the issues are clear — and homosexuality is one of those issues — then we cannot afford to sacrifice truth for grace.”
SOURCE: Baptist Press, Michael Foust
Daniel Whyte III also says about the powerful video above, titled “Keith Darrell on Unhitching You from Andy Stanley”:
Andy Stanley is not really a great communicator, however, he is demonically smart as well as charismatic and proudly confident and has been convinced by others, and he has convinced himself, that if he can talk to you face-to-face or debate you face-to-face, he will defeat you or convince you or at least muddy the water enough to confuse the audience which is oftentimes your audience, too, because of his ‘aw, shucks,’ Opie Taylor-Andy Griffith charisma and charm and demonically driven smarts, and he knows this because he has done this so many times with so many people who are less gifted.
So, I am strongly suggesting that there be no more “damnable heresy” debates on YouTube because what Andy Stanley is doing is using your audience and your show to spread his demonic heresy all over the Internet. What you need to do is do what Keith Darrell did, and that is to get Andy Stanley’s sermon series and pick it apart piece-by-piece in a prophetic manner, not in the pastoral, collegial, ‘we be friends’ manner, for you need to understand that under that ‘aw, shucks,’ Opie Taylor-Andy Griffith, false humility exterior is a demonic gladiator hell-bent on changing the “faith which was once delivered unto the saints” and the Church fundamentally, and the devil and Andy Stanley know that he cannot change it to accept homosexuality if the Bible is seen as the foundation of our faith.
Here are some comments from some of the viewers:
Thanks for taking the time to do this
Axe at the root
This is a very difficult topic to tackle. On one hand, Andy does make some good points about doing away with the Old Testament. Apostle Paul was a pharisee who studied the Hebrew Bible, but yet was lost only until God opened his eyes. Christ taught from the Hebrew Bible, but the pharisees were too blind to understand the Truth of the Scriptures as well. The apostles opposed the new converts to keep the Law, and were worried about them being exposed to the reading of Moses, but only gave them 4 rules instead of the law (Acts 15:5-29). And this is why: “But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.” 2 Cor 3:14-15
Only those who have Christ, and understand the Old Testament was fulfilled in Christ, can read the Old Testament to see the facts which God has accomplished. But those who read the Old Testament thinking it still applies to us today (Hebrews roots movement, 7th day adventists, etc…) are spiritually blind. We have a new and better covenant in Christ. Therefore, the Old Testament isn’t a necessity: “Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth. For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.” 2 Cor 3:6-11
Ok what got me is what he says about Gods character when David speaks in the psalms. To my understanding as he prays GOD’S HOLYSPIRIT changes his heart , softness it . People call him bipolar ect , and it looks to me that Andy is saying he needs meds uhhg I was sick when he said that. Sounds jealous of David hmm.. sounds like satan jealous of God . Idk that’s just creepy and tbh he is creeping me out . I don’t want to hear him or my Christian brothers and sisters call him brilliant rrrrr , it must make the devil happy hearing that Andy is brilliant. 🤢
So glad you made this video. A very good title! Andy is like wrecking ball in the church.
The New Covenant was made with the Jews (Jer.31:31-32) not the “Gentile” Church. The Gentiles have been included in a Jewish New Covenant which Jesus implemented. The Gentiles have been grafted in to a Jewish olive tree. Andy makes so many errors it is unbelievable.
So thankful for this video, your ministry, your demeanor and approach. Worthy of imitation.
Andy’s problem is one that my pastor used to pound home with lukewarm parents. He was against turning the church into a social club for Christians. He used to say if their kids do not grow up being taught sound doctrine on a regular basis, when they go to off to college and are subjected to the liberal world of academia? They will not be able to cope and will become causalities. Like Andy was. The problem with Andy is that he is admitting he was taught poorly as a child and while growing up. A child that grows up in a sound Bible teaching church will be able to stand on his feet when in college. But… just the same. Its never too late. A good teacher will teach whoever is willing sound doctrines that will refute what liberalism has bombarded them with. Trouble is.. Being dogmatic and stupid is not an answer as many fundamentalists shield themselves with. It must be sound doctrine… Too little good teaching to be found today.
Heresy and Anti Semitic…. false teacher.. thank you for the video brother and speaking the truth
Yep, yep, yep, so true.
You are spot on bro.
Very sound response, thank you very much for making this video!
You have said it exactly: “He is destroying the foundations of Christianity”!
Andy Stanley understands the truth…he doesn’t like it,so he is changing it to suit his needs, whatever that is?
He’s a false prophet from hell, teaching dictrines of demons!
Follow the authority of “Scripture” and don’t depart. Our opinions matter not. “Thus saith the LORD.”