Phil Cooke Interviews Hillsong Church Pastor Brian Houston on His New Book, “Live Love Lead”, and 32 Years In Ministry

Live Love Lead

Now that my friend Brian Houston’s new book “Live Love Lead” is out and being read by plenty of leaders, I thought it was time to ask him some questions. As founding Pastor of Hillsong Church, with locations in at least 15 major cities around the world, his leadership principles have impacted thousands of pastors and ministry leaders. Plus, “Hillsong Music” is the most popular worship label worldwide, and the feature length motion picture “Let Hope Rise” – about their band “Hillsong United” – is in the works. So we had a lot to talk about:

Phil Cooke:  Hillsong seems to be taking off like a rocket these days. You’re continuing to open churches in major cities around the world, the conferences are growing, Hillsong music is exploding, and the feature film “Let Hope Rise” will be released soon. With everything that’s going on, why did you decide to write the new book right now?

Brian Houston:  God’s grace never ceases to amaze me. Last year I turned 60 and celebrated 40 years of ministry – and it was at that point (after a bit of coaxing from family, friends and other leaders) that I realized I needed to document some of my own journey, in an effort to share and encourage others.

The sustained blessing and growth of Hillsong globally is something that has no human explanation, and I often get overwhelmed by God’s faithfulness, so all I can say is, “To God be the glory…” But even though the Hillsong story is a miraculous one, it hasn’t come without its ‘bumps in the road’, sacrifice and hardship. I have wanted to write this book for a long, long time but the practicality of actually finding the time to put my heart and soul into this project hasn’t always been easy amongst building a growing church and other leadership responsibilities. It was in the past twelve months that all the pieces came together beautifully – including a fantastic relationship in the lead up with the publishers and team behind the scenes, pulling it all together… the timing now feels perfect.

Phil:  Why is “leadership” so important in the Church today?

Brian:  I don’t think there’s ever been a time when leadership has not been important in the Church! Everything of significance is achieved through leadership and I believe that the Church today needs selfless leaders who are building generationally, bringing out the very best in others, and are committed to raising up the people around them to be all God has called them to be. We need more courageous pioneers who dare to be innovative and build for the future.

The world is full of unpredictability and inconsistency. I believe people on a spiritual journey aren’t looking for a ‘superstar’; they’re looking for someone who’s consistent across all areas of life because life is overrun with inconsistencies. Don’t get me wrong – leaders aren’t perfect – but Godly leadership is all about giving people something to aspire to, and a vision worth believing in. The impact of leadership to make or break a church, an organization or even a home is profound, and I believe the huge majority of people want to be led and respond to leadership.  Leaders are visionaries and the Bible says, “Where there is no prophetic vision the people cast off restraint, but blessed is he who keeps the law.” (Proverbs 29.18 ESV).

Phil: The book doesn’t mince words or hide anything, including the challenge of dealing with terrible revelations about your own father. How important is it for leaders in today’s culture to be transparent?

Brian:  I was determined in writing this book to be vulnerable and talk about the highs and the lows of life. The thesis of the book is to live a big life on a sometimes-difficult path, through a narrow gate (Jesus) to a glorious future. On my own personal journey of leadership, I have encountered some difficult times, both privately and publicly, and this book gives some insight into that. It is my belief that our transparency speaks to people in a much deeper way than our success does – there is something very attractive about authenticity.

Strong leadership involves having the courage to let your guard down and be authentic. People see beyond false ‘fronts’ and excuses. The temptation when life’s’ path becomes difficult can be to isolate yourself and protect yourself with an ‘everything is just fine, I’m the leader, people mustn’t know about our struggles’ type of attitude. But the truth is, transparency with the right heart and motives can be a learning experience not only for yourself, but for those you lead. Of course, there is a fine line between transparency and being pitiful.

I have led a church for thirty-two years. There is nobody who can lead that long without confronting the various seasons of life and leadership. It’s strength to admit a weakness but it’s a weakness not to admit our mistakes. To see the fruit of wisdom in our lives, we need to have the spirit of a listener and a heart that is open to correction; transparency is a pathway to that.

Image is important, but don’t be an image-maker – be a credibility builder, and start with your own.

Phil:  What’s the greatest failure you see out there among Christian leaders today?

Brian:  I guess I don’t sit around and think about people’s failures – and I have no time for leaders who publicly criticize other leaders, or leaders who have a harsh view of God and lead people from that perspective. I believe that if you create an angry or critical world, that anger and criticism will end up devouring you.

There is a real difference between leading people and ‘lording’ over people. Strong leadership is not domineering, and doesn’t make demands of the people they lead. Instead, developing a leadership culture that produces growth, loyalty, and creativity in others – allowing them to develop their own leadership gifting’s and serve the Kingdom in a unique way, is what creates longevity in both your leadership and the people you lead.

Phil:  As any leader would who’s pushing the boundaries and stretching people, you’ve had your share of critics. What would you say to other leaders about dealing with criticism?

Brian:  Anyone who is doing anything significant will draw criticism and accolades – but it’s a mistake to be to moved by either.  In my book, LIVE, LOVE, LEAD – I speak about how in Australia we talk about cutting down the “tall poppy” – obviously referring to a flower that stands taller then all the others. It is an expression reserved for people who are doing more than most, or achieving unprecedented success. Often politicians, artists, entertainers and business people are scrutinized, and while this critical tendency can be used unfairly to take someone down a notch, it also reminds us not to think too highly of ourselves or assume all the credit.

Of course the advent of social media gives everyone a platform and I have learned that reacting to critics means you are only elevating their platform.

Three things I believe leaders need to do with criticism:
1. Ask yourself “What can I learn and what do I need to change?”
2. Don’t be over-sensitive or ruled by the opinions of others. There are people whose counsel is valuable and needed and also a world of opinions that need to be ignored.
3. Remember, life is not a popularity contest and there are almost always a lot more people who love you and respect you than there are those who want to tear you down.

And, continually remind yourself what the Word of God says about you. How you respond to criticism is an indication of how well you have anchored your soul in the Word of God and His promises over your life and calling. Listen to wise counsel, seek God’s Word and train your heart to hear from the Holy Spirit – let the words that speak loudest in your life be His.

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