It is reported by Gospel Today that Andre Crouch and Sandra Crouch led Michael Jackson to the Lord three weeks ago.
Michael then prayed with Sandra and Andre and accepted Christ into his heart. Now he's singing in the heavenly choir! Our Hearts Rejoice.
Source: Gospel Today
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Nice spin...so he renounced the false Jesus of the JWs?..the lies of Kaballah...the lies of Deepak Chopran..the lies of his Jewish spirtual advisor..the lies of Islam he reportadly converted to with several of his brothers??...and it is only coming to light NOW that he is dead to make people fell better...nice timing..
Well, I hope this is true...if it is true, then this is wonderful news! Interestingly, I have heard some reports that Farrah Fawcett had also accepted Christ before she passed???
Dev in Canada
Yeah, I too heard that there were two thieves being given the death penalty and one of them accepted Jesus as his savior just before he died. Hmmmm. Death bed prayers for salvation may be risky, but only Jesus knows if the heart is genuine. We cannot judge the heart and unfortunately we don't have enough of their life left to see if there really was a heart change. That's why God is so much better about being God. Thank you Andre and Sandra for being good stewards of God's gift, Jesus.
Give me a break. Is there no Hell? Why is it that us so called Christians send every body to hell while they are living in their sins, but as soon as they die we send them to heaven. Get over it. I loved Michael and was praying for him, but Mary, Mary are lying. This man was getting ready to do the same things he had always did.
Everybody accepts Jesus. He is one more god on their shelf. We don’t know where Michael soul is, but this statement is slap in the face to the power of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Why is it that God could never get any glory out of his life before his passed? Can not God save a man like Michael to use his for his glory? Who has the power to save except God? Why is it that every true Christian has to suffer for God, except those that Mary Mary and Andre Crouch save? God saves and give people time to glorify him. Mary Mary and Andre Crouch save people while they are on their death bed, and they can never give glory God or give testimony to the saving power of Christ.
This is why the world laughs at these hypocrites. They have a form of godliness but deny the power thereof. It is God’s will that none should perish, but that all come to repentance. I don’t want to see any person go to hell. I can’t say where Michael is at. But the one thing I do know is God give us time to repent and glorify his name. Carlton Pearson was not right when he stated that no one goes to hell. I am ashamed of Andre Crouch. He knows better. Mary Mary, I can understand. Get over it. The man lived his life without Jesus Christ. He chose to die without Jesus Christ. He was getting ready to tour the world without Jesus Christ. All of this tells us one thing; he did not accept the Lord’s righteousness. God help the man or woman that dilute and water down the power of God. Everybody is no going to heaven or hell. So, let’s stop trying to put them there.
You know what.I am really proud that Michael Jackson turned himself to the creator of us all. Why do you judge him instead of support him? He's dead but you have no idea of what his life was like. He was abused by his father when he was a little boy. He even came clean to that in an interview. Look at the way he looked. He was insecure because of those pasts. Don't judge him unless you know for a fact what you say is true.
Yes, I am with you on this one.
Everybody wants to go to hebben, but folks want to do it on their own terms....
Yeah, nice spin....
This is ABSOLUTELY TRUE as my family and I have been personal friends of Michael's for many years. There were many circumstances which led to Michael's genuine acceptance of Jesus Christ. There were innumerous amazing situations, too many to mention here and many involving many other mature Christians. This journey was ongoing for months and years prior to his death.
No Christian would dare challenge the accuracy of Jesus and his loving acceptance of the thief on the cross. Jesus showed him absolute mercy and forgiveness in his last hours because he showed faith towards Jesus. Jesus knew his heart.
What a disgrace that not only have so many so called Christians self-righteously pre-judged Michael Jackson but it is tantamount to doubting that Michael wasn't as worthy as some of them are of God's redemption. No one should doubt as a true believer that God loved Michael and knew he would receive him before his death. What did Jesus come for? What did He die for? Did He Himself not say that a doctor comes for those who are sick and not those who are well? That is the God we serve, a God of miracles and sometimes 11th hour salvation.
Who is anyone to question what Jesus does and doubt all He said He would do. I fall on my knees rejoicing in a God who heard the pain and grief in Michael's heart. Jesus stood at the door and knocked and Michael answered. The unbelief that follows these events is just what grieved Jesus when his disciples had their overt moments of doubting Him. How have we as the church learned anything?
Why are so many so quick to not believe? Even when it involves the distinctly characteristic love, grace and mercy of the God so many claim to serve. I thank all the saints who interceded, leading to the chains that were broken. I thank those who boldly witnessed to Michael. I thank God, humbled, that despite many obstacles, we were able to witness one of the most extraordinary against-all-demonic-odds salvation in the modern world. That we were able to see our friend, forget the "icon" but a wonderful father and person, who cried out to you as we are ALL able to do. I praise YOU Father for all YOU did leading up to Michael's salvation, all YOU orchestrated as only YOU can. Jesus, I love you.
my apologies for the duplicate posts above, there seemed to be an error where the site said it was not received. perhaps a site admninistrator can delete the subsequent duplicates.. thank you and God bless
Amen to that, I agree with you 100% I am just sick of self righteous religious folks who fail to take the timber out of their own eyes before judging the speck in the eyes of others. I've been saved since I was 9 I am now 29 and I still love God today more than ever, it's judgmental religious folks that scare people away from God, anyway ... I have been a fan of MJ since I could remember, I prayed for him to be saved even as a child, and I know many other believers have also prayed for MJ to know Christ as his personal Lord and Savior. God loves everyone, Jesus died for the sinners, if all the "perfect" folks know that they are so flawless then I guess they never had to ask Jesus into their lives to become their Lord and Savior. No doubt that a loving God in all His mercy reached out to MJ through his servants Andrae Crouch and his wife. I guarantee you for all the haters that are condemning MJ ever after his death, they better stop worrying about him and seek God for themselves because they will only know the real truth about where MJ is if they make it to heaven. If they continue to be self righteous religious legalistic misrepresentations of the love of God they may very well never get there. I believe that it is very possible that MJ was saved no one knows if he talked to God in his quiet moments, no one knows if he cried out to God or called on Jesus. One thing is certain and that is that MJ was seeking God and I believe that he found Him. God is no respecter of persons God loves MJ just as much as He loves anyone of us. And since God knows the end from the beginning it is no coincidence that MJ had that timely encounter with Andrae, it was a divine appointment. Since with the heart one believes and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation (read your bible ye doubters) all it took was the Holy Spirit (It's not by might, nor by power but by My Spirit says God)and those words that MJ repeated the rest is history. May God be glorified in this, let God be true and every man a liar R.I.P. Michael you are in a better place now....
No need to apologize. Apparently, it was duplicated for a REASON. God Bless You
Wow Mr. Rutledge, you better check yourself bro, you sound very hateful and resentful that God could actually love someone like MJ and save his soul. No one claims that they are responsible for MJ's salvation they just did what Jesus said we must do; show up and be a witness. Maybe you should try that after all that's the great commission. Oh and while you're at it remember the commandment Jesus gave "LOVE your neighbor as yourself". God has the power to save who ever He chooses. And in case you forgot, salvation is the work of the Holy Spirit. Further in response to your comment "Why is it that God could never get any glory out of his life before his passed? Can not God save a man like Michael to use his for his glory?" ... Just remember we are NOT saved by WORKS, but by GRACE, salvation is a gift from God it has nothing to do with how long you been sitting on the church pew... Get over it bro, go out there show some love and represent Christ just think WWJD?...
Yes it is nice timing,in fact it's perfect timing because God is never late. Why do you doubt that it is possible that a merciful God can save MJ weeks before he died? Don't you know that God's ways are higher than ours and that God perfects that which concerns us? Well you better start believing because with God NO-THING is impossible. R.I.P. MJ
Every conversion is a "death bed" conversion--think about.
Hoping to see ya Up There One Day, Mike.
Blessings!
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I know in my heart that MJ is singing with the angels. Jesus is very forgiving and I believe that MJ is now with Him. It is sad how other so-called Christians refuse to believe. I went through going back to God and so I can believe that others can, too. My father, a murderer, rapist, child abuser somehow knew he was going to die. One week before his death, he began reading the Bible when he could never read--he had only a third grade education. He prayed, asking for forgiveness and then accepted Christ. That Friday, he had a heart attack and could not be revived. He was pronounced dead at the hospital. I prayed for his soul. I believe in Christ and His forgiveness and mercy.
Praise God for his grace and mercy. Just goes to show how God provides a way for all of us even at the last moment. God is not mocked and I count myself blessed to have experienced the great talent that God gave to Michael Jackson. Like the bible says, "no one is perfect no not even one so do not judged lest you be judged by your own measure. When word gets around that Michael gave his heart to Jesus Christ, who knows how many thousands or even millions of people will begin to question and seek salvation for themselves. Maybe that is how God will receive the glory in all of this. Love you Michael, see you in Heaven!
Thank you Jesse for a clarifying the real issues. The attitudes I am seeing from some Christians regarding the potential salvation of Michael Jackson is sickening.
I am all for discerning fruit. I am not, however, all for any Christian usurping the authority and sovereignty of God when it comes to how He presents the gospel to a human being. Forget Michael Jackson. Think of the person you love the most who is lost. Would you want the Lord to move heaven and earth to give them the chance to receive Jesus?
Of course you would and so would I. I too have friends who personally interceded for and KNEW Michael Jackson. They were consistent in their witness before him and I have peace that it paid off in the end.
Thank you Lord for the few who would pray for Michael Jackson. More important, thank You Holy Spirit for doing what the Son said You would do.
Thank you Franklin E. Rutledge for your comment.
I have to be honest with all the positive comments of Michael's conversion. I share some of the same concerns of the comments that are skeptical.
If Michael Jackson made this heartfelt sincere repentance, why did we, the body of Christ, the church, not celebrate this great conversion? Why are we conveniently hearing about it now? This purported salvation should have spread like a conflagration among us fellow believers.
We know that God knows the heart's intent whether it is sincere or not. Yes it is fact that sinners can receive salvation at the last stage of their lives given their heart's sincerity to recognize they are a sinner and they are in great need of salvation by our savior Jesus Christ (Yeshua).
Now it is very possible that God saved him and then snatched him up before Michael could mess it up later in life- for Michael’s soul sake. Many of us know that God does that for many people time to time.
Here is one other thing we need to consider. If it is true that Michael Jackson has received salvation from our God, the sad reality is that as great as Michael Jackson was in this world, which the world have crowned him king- King of Pop, he will be in heaven crown-less. Because he does not have any works that has given our God the glory through out his life. Michael Jackson will be what Jesus called, "Least in Heaven"
Please my fellow Christ disciples, let us not be deceived. This is a hard truth- we cannot put unrepentant sinners who we love in Heaven anymore than we can put blood washed sinners who we judge-condemned in Hell. We need to stop giving people especially the world a false reality that everyone will be in heaven.
I know some others will call what I say a self-righteous statement, but it is really not. It is just that is what our Bible teaches- clear and concise and uncompromised.
I believe that if Michael came to the LORD! and I believe he did!!...then, the so called 'powers that be' in the entertainment industry had him murdered because he would have been a powerful testimony to the world and they didn't want that.
Who is mere man that thou art mindful of him. God's ways are not our ways. His thoughts are not our thoughts (Thank God for that!) and His time is not our time. There are some that ask why didn't God get glory out of Michael's life while he was here and one even went so far to say that he will not have any crown's in heaven. I say to those that have put themselves in a position reserved only for God, God takes the foolish things of the world and confound the wise. And, He does what He desires to do in His own time and in His own way.
Many have been converted prior to transitioning throughout history. I am actually not here to debate the issue as no amount of discussion will change the views of some. I am here to say to the family, God bless you; to say "To God Be the Glory" for the conversion and to just praise God that he alone saves.
Thanks Jesse, Sherry, CB and other believers and thank you Andrae Crouch and wife.
Keep praying people. God loves all!
And I pray God's blessings over every reader that sees these writings. After all, Michael and others have transitioned, we are the ones who need to be about God's business to be prepared for our departure.
God is sovereign and the only judge...let's continue to pray for the Jackson Family during this very difficult time. God Bless You
Pathetic attempt to cheapen the gospel of Jesus Christ. God is not mocked "whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap." What a pathetic attempt to preach someone into heaven. I pray that Michael Jackson repented of his false religion, sin, and turned to Christ Jesus alone in salvation, but with the personal workers, (the Crouches) I highly doubt that sin was examined, hell was preached, and Christ alone and repentance toward Him was explained. Character is consistent, and the Crouches have been consistently emotionally driven, not Scripturally driven. It is always a shame when someone dies, an even greater shame when someone dies in their sins, but it is an absolute CRIME against the Word of God to attempt to cheapen the precious blood of Jesus Christ and pure Gospel of Christ. Whoever reported this rubbish should be ashamed of themselves and should stop using the name Christian.
Personally, I hope this news is true. And I want to believe that it is. God, after all, seeks the lost and those who need Him the most. Michael suffered from the spotlight of being a celebrity. As successful as he was, he still had a hard and lonely life and he truly needed God.
However, if Michael did receive Jesus Christ, why aren't Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton proclaiming to the world not to worry or feel sad since Michael is saved by the grace of God. Why aren't they praising God that Michael's death isn't in vain because of Jesus Christ?
Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton aren't letting the world know because they aren't true Ministers anyway! I don't even understand why they're hanging around! Anwyay, I'm hopeful that Michael, as ALL others in the world woudl be converted and accept Jesus, but only the Lord knows truly... Now those of us Christians who are still here have a responsibility to care about other's salvation just like we're concerned about MJ's
Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton aren't letting the world know because they aren't true Ministers anyway! I don't even understand why they're hanging around! Anwyay, I'm hopeful that Michael, as ALL others in the world woudl be converted and accept Jesus, but only the Lord knows truly... Now those of us Christians who are still here have a responsibility to care about other's salvation just like we're concerned about MJ's
If salvation is only a death bed experience, then Jesus did not die to save us eternally. If we can’t know where we are going before we die, why do we have confidence in Christ's atoning blood? I, like the Apostle Paul, know that Christ has prepared a place for me. If we have hope in this life only, we are of all men most miserable. Read the Bible.
If MJ accepted Jesus Christ as his personal saviour, this is wonderful news! Only God alone knew his heart, and his sincerity in Him in his final moments. We who are still alive need to make sure our hearts are right with God so that we would be ready should He call us home at any moment.
I love Michael as much as the next person but this is suspicious. If this is true, like others have said why wasn't it celebrated when he was still alive?? Most importantly if this is true, why was he still taking drugs...because as much as we hate to admit it, it's starting to look like he died from a drug overdose. I don't think a saved person is going to die from a drug overdose.
Ultimately, I don't know where Michael's soul is..only God knows, but like the brother stated since it looked like he was going to continue to do the things he was already doing, then one must wonder did TRUE conversion actually take place. I pray that it did......
I love Michael as much as the next person but this is suspicious. If this is true, like others have said why wasn't it celebrated when he was still alive?? Most importantly if this is true, why was he still taking drugs...because as much as we hate to admit it, it's starting to look like he died from a drug overdose. I don't think a saved person is going to die from a drug overdose.
Ultimately, I don't know where Michael's soul is..only God knows, but like the brother stated since it looked like he was going to continue to do the things he was already doing, then one must wonder did TRUE conversion actually take place. I pray that it did......
I love Michael as much as the next person but this is suspicious. If this is true, like others have said why wasn't it celebrated when he was still alive?? Most importantly if this is true, why was he still taking drugs...because as much as we hate to admit it, it's starting to look like he died from a drug overdose. I don't think a saved person is going to die from a drug overdose.
Ultimately, I don't know where Michael's soul is..only God knows, but like the brother stated since it looked like he was going to continue to do the things he was already doing, then one must wonder did TRUE conversion actually take place. I pray that it did......
Jesse, now is your time to prove what you are saying. I believe the Son of Sam is saved. Reborn- This is his living testimony. I believe Michael could have been saved. The scriptures tell us not to be ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Why weren’t there any mention on his salvation experience until after his death? This is like the prophets telling the people after the rain came, that God showed him that it was going to rain. Anybody can become a prophet after the facts.
Can you do me a favor please quote the scripture again regarding the thief. Where did he go? Jesus went to hell on the day he died. He went to heaven three days later. The Greek word the translators used, because they didn’t read the epistles, was hedes. This is hell. Jesus went to hell on that day. Prove me wrong.
Everything you are saying about Jesus is correct. The scriptures also states in Revelation, them that are righteous be righteous still, them that are filthy let them be filthy still. Oprah believes that God is a woman, and God (she) can be anything you make her out to be. Hear O Israel, the Lord our God is One Lord. When Oprah dies in this theological state, will she go to heaven? I hope and pray that she repents before she dies. Or we can have some of you good Christian put her in heaven.
No one is questioning what Jesus can do. Salvation is participatory, and confession, belief of the heart and change in character that the world can see. If there is no change, then there is no Jesus. As a world figure, the world saw no change. This is America, you don’t have to hide your faith in the company of four people.
Jesse, here is your statement “This is ABSOLUTELY TRUE as my family and I have been personal friends of Michael's for many years. There were many circumstances which led to Michael's genuine acceptance of Jesus Christ. There were innumerous amazing situations, too many to mention here and many involving many other mature Christians. This journey was ongoing for months and years prior to his death.” I am ashamed of you. You may use as much space as possible to give the public some sense of this Christian evolutionary experience. This is like an eclipse or a comet.
Does that mean that Jesus lied to the thief on the cross? Luke 23:42-43 Then he (one of the criminals on the side of Jesus) said, "Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom. 43 Jesus answered him, "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise." It doesn't seem like that thief lived for Christ during his lifetime or he wouldn't have been next to Jesus.
It is never too late to receive Jesus as Lord as long as you are breathing. Since the Word says that man looks on the outside and God looks at heart, no one knows what was in Michael's heart but God. He has a good a chance of being in Heaven as both of us.
Does that mean that Jesus lied to the thief on the cross? Luke 23:42-43 Then he (one of the criminals on the side of Jesus) said, "Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom. 43 Jesus answered him, "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise." It doesn't seem like that thief lived for Christ during his lifetime or he wouldn't have been next to Jesus.
It is never too late to receive Jesus as Lord as long as you are breathing. Since the Word says that man looks on the outside and God looks at heart, no one knows what was in Michael's heart but God. He has a good a chance of being in Heaven as both of us.
Kingdom Minded, what part of what I said was hateful? God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes on him shall have ever lasting life. Please read the remainder of this chapter. How is God getting glory out of his death, when his life never represented Christ? Works relate to the Law of Moses. This doesn’t apply anyway. Salvation is participatory. What kind of love do you want to show? Is it the love that Jesus showed when he ran the people out of the temple? Is it the love that he showed when he told the Jews-if they didn’t repent, their blood will be mixed with Herod’s sacrifices? Is it the love that caused him to vomit up some in the churches mention in Revelation? Is it the love that the Apostle Paul spoke of in the 1st Chapter of Romans, when he stated some people deserved to die? Is it the love found in the book of Jude where he talks about evil men watering down the gospel? It is too late to do any thing for Michael, and those that God so called gave the power to help him, failed. Where is Michael’s confession of faith? I hate the fact that Michael is dead, I also hate the fact that hypocrites are faking the love of Christ. The real love is to show people the way to Christ. This is what I am doing sir. You can’t heal people with a lie.
Kingdom Minded, what part of what I said was hateful? God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes on him shall have ever lasting life. Please read the remainder of this chapter. How is God getting glory out of his death, when his life never represented Christ? Works relate to the Law of Moses. This doesn’t apply anyway. Salvation is participatory. What kind of love do you want to show? Is it the love that Jesus showed when he ran the people out of the temple? Is it the love that he showed when he told the Jews-if they didn’t repent, their blood will be mixed with Herod’s sacrifices? Is it the love that caused him to vomit up some in the churches mention in Revelation? Is it the love that the Apostle Paul spoke of in the 1st Chapter of Romans, when he stated some people deserved to die? Is it the love found in the book of Jude where he talks about evil men watering down the gospel? It is too late to do any thing for Michael, and those that God so called gave the power to help him, failed. Where is Michael’s confession of faith? I hate the fact that Michael is dead, I also hate the fact that hypocrites are faking the love of Christ. The real love is to show people the way to Christ. This is what I am doing sir. You can’t heal people with a lie.
An oil portrait I painted of Michael Jackson and Jesus Christ, which you might enjoy-
http://faithmouse.blogspot.com/2009/06/michael-jackson-and-jesus-christ-you.html
Patricia, where did Jesus go when he died? Jesus didn’t lie, the bible translators miss it. You appear to be a bible reader, where did Jesus go after he died? What you are doing is quoting the same mistranslated word the translator couldn’t bring themselves to believe. He went to hell. The thieves went with him. Jesus had to go to hell for three days, when he finished he rose with all power, and the saints got up out of the graves. They physically preached to the living.
You mention the heart. Jesus said the heart is full of adultery, etc…..He said that by their fruits we shall know them. Paul said, he that is married to a harlot is a harlot. The Bible tells us to judge righteous judgment. The bible also states that the saints shall judge the world. Our disagreement isn’t with Michael, it is with these religious nuts that lie to people. The bible tells us to repent, be baptized and receive the Holy Ghost. Then it tells us to mortify the deeds of the flesh. God forbid that we should live any in longer or practice sin. These lying preachers that try to console the Devil (not Michael), even though his end is eternal damnation. God has forgiven us, God has saved the world and washed us from our sin with his blood. But it we reject his salvation, we will be lost. God is not mocked, what soever we sow, we shall reap. There are no lies we can tell to help the dead.
This is sick.
Thank all of you for your sobering words and thanks to everyone for their Christ-like attitude in discussing a strangely volatile matter. While I am troubled by the attempts of misguided people to make Michael Jackson out to be a god or angel---transferring trademarks of the singer to God as if God was subservient to Jackson's fame.
He was not.
I am even more deeply grieved, however, that such a commotion has broken out over the potential salvation of Mr. Jackson. I doubt such discussions would be taking place if they were about the homeless person we often ignore en route to our jobs every day.
People want proof that Mr. Jackson did indeed surrender himself to Jesus Christ and that is certainly not unreasonable. Worldly folks are attempting to deify Jackson and that is ABSOLUTELY blasphemous as no celebrity or person is to be worshiped. Jesus is Lord, not Michael Jackson or Oprah or me or you.
That said, I believe a few problems are emerging from this conversation about Mr. Jackson's potential salvation.
First, there is certainly a doctrinal split regarding whether Jesus "descended into hell" as certain translations of the Word read and even the Apostle's Creed reads. The actual Gk. word used is "Hades" and does not refer to hell but rather to the realm of the dead divided into two sections: those in Abraham's bosom who loved and obeyed God and the place we regard as hell prepared for the devil and his fallen angels. I only mention that because several saints have referenced it in regards to the Jackson issue. Jesus did indeed descend into Hades but He never said of His redemptive work while on the cross: "It is almost finished until I go to hell."
God the Son made a promise to a thief who, in a short yet clear moment of spiritual clarity, recognized who Jesus was. If that same man was alive today, he would have died because some Christians would have mistakenly "exegeted" him out of God's grace by pointing out that certain terms and phrases in Scripture would disprove his salvific encounter with the Lord Jesus. Jesus promised that thief paradise (that would be the OTHER SIDE of HADES). Jesus kept His Word to that sinner despite the extremely short exchange.
If "showing fruit" and demonstrating a consistent Christian witness and heart change were proof of real salvation, then the Son of God got it all wrong. Don't get me wrong: spiritual fruit is absolutely necessary for Christians who are actually ALIVE. But what happens if you are dying on your deathbed and have that same moment of clarity that the thief had? Does Jesus turn His nose up at the person because He sees the life ebbing out of that person and knows that this person's time in short on earth?
What of Mickey Mantle, the great Yankee who made a deathbed confession of Christ. Although at least we have a witness there, he did not have time to demonstrate the fruit so many of us believers want to see from other saints. This example manifest for those of us who provide pastoral care in hospitals to the terminally ill. Would I question that person's genuineness of his or her faith simply because they cannot get out of the bed and "live saved" for the rest of their life when that life might only endure another 48 hours? My best friend led her own grandmother--in her last days-- to Jesus. Is her grandmother not a Christian?
Is it possible for anyone to "confess with their mouth" Jesus is Lord but not mean it? Yes it is. I have never questioned Mantle's experience or my friend's grandmother's faith because they did not have time to demonstrate a real heart change and I will not challenge Mr. Jackson's alleged salvation simply because I didn't see it. God owes me NOTHING on that note.
Secondly, I think what this entire experience shows is that there is a fundamental problem with the way we view salvation. People have a cookie-cutter approach to salvation that may work well at a crusade but it does not always square with what we believe is the "right way" to be saved. Interestingly, while much attention is given to Romans 10:9 but very little to Romans 10:11 where Paul declares, "Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame." And how can we forget the words of the Savior in John 3:16?
Faith precedes works. Otherwise, a person is guilty of what a number of so-called "nominal" Christians are: giving Jesus lip-service that the spiritually shallow interested would find comfort in.
Jesus does not care about rocking our sanctified little worlds since He will not play pattycake with 99 sheep in a pen who think they wrote the "how-to" book on salvation. It is easy to play in that pen and judge the lone sheep in our lives who Jesus has already given EVERYTHING to deliver. I need to remember that for myself.
If nothing else, I see that there probably would have been no way for Michael Jackson to live out his faith before a world that still cannot leave him alone, even after his death. His ministry and testimony would have had to compete with tell-all books documenting his past sins and alleged sins. Worse, he would have been constantly beseiged by Christians who would have started blogs to counter his every move in the name of biblical fidelity. His faith might not have been nurtured but rather stomped on by those who would continue to "know him after the flesh." Some others would have embraced him simply to fill up the pews, pimping his newfound faith for more money in the offering plate. I believe Jesus would have NONE of that.
On a personal note, I cannot grieve Michael's death because I know more details about his final days and the miraculous (not coincidental) intervention that the Lord set up. The Lord did not do this for just a celebrity; He's done this countless times for people we will see in heaven!
But I will not post one iota of the information about what I learned of his experience because frankly, I am as allergic to invasive media scrutiny as I am to legalistic Christianity. I am too busy trying to engage the people in my sphere of influence in a way that they want to have a relationship with Jesus Christ.
There are simply no words to convey the sense of satisfaction and peace in knowing that the saints who interceded for Michael did not labor in vain. The peace that God alone gives is the peace that God alone guards.That others are hesitant to rejoice out of honest doubt or (sadly) out of sanctified meanness is honestly not my problem.
I simply do not care. What I do care about is that every person hears the gospel of Jesus Christ so that they can make the same decision to receive or reject the Lord that Michael ultimately had to make.
I have a feeling that tiny pieces of Mr. Jackson's journey will come out and hopefully put an end to interminable threads where tempers and bad theology and praxis run high. That is up to the Lord since He and He ALONE will be glorified in this event and not the Crouches or the many faceless saints whose hearts were impressed upon by the Holy Spirit to pray.
Peace in Christ Jesus. Thanks.
Why are we fussing about this issue, he accepted Christ which makes him a new creature. Old things passed away all things are now new! A soon as you become a christian doesnt mean you will not stuggle.
Up to Him.
This is my final say on this subject. Thanks for your candent response. You made a lot sense, however there is this secret subjective defense of something you or I have no control over; Michael Jackson’s soul. It isn’t my attempt to place him where God has not, or remove him from where God has placed him.
When it comes to Christianity, we have a right to know and see the change in a person’s life. This in itself is the witness of the Spirit of God. This over coming is the victory that will help others. To diminish change in character for the sake of justifying a theory that we have no proof of, is to make void the words of Paul in Rom 8, ‘we are not in the flesh but in the Spirit. Also, the bible tells us that we are new creatures, old thing are passed away and behold all thing are become new. Again the bible states, present your body a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service.
We don’t take away from God’s word because people want to live in the world (spiritual) and in Christ. If a saints tries to live after the flesh they shall die. The Bible tells us to seek those things that are from above. And again it tells us to love not the world or the things that are in the world. This goes for all that are true believers.
Acts 2:27, states Jesus was in hell. This is the same word used when he was on the cross. Ephesians 4:9- He descended into the lower parts... Paradise speaks of an earthly sphere. Jesus used the word that corresponded to his destination. We should stop trying to justify people sinful lifestyle, but placing them where they have not chosen. There is no place in the bible where this death bed theology is taught. As it has been stated already, God knows the heart. What if, seeing everyone is using hyperboles, a sinner was dying and God gave them another chance to live. Would they go back to their same old habits or serve the Lord. We don’t say anything to a person while they are living in their sins, but as soon as they are headed out of this life, we ask them to repeat after us. Boy, they are in heaven now. They hated God’s law up until one minute before they died. God is so merciful to the living. He allows us to make a mockery out of his name.
God is a forgiver at all times. Salvation is his work. We can not earn salvation. After we are saved, fruits are a necessity. Jesus said, if we don’t produce fruits, we shall be cast in the furnace. St John 15th chapter.
You are using excuses to hide what you don’t have. Share with us the truth of his conversion or stop this hypocrisy. Forget about the media, if the murderer Saul of Tarsus can share with us his conversion, then why is it Michael’s has to be kept a secret. This has nothing to do with legalist Christianity.
You stated that Michael couldn’t live out his faith because the world would not leave him along. This would have been a prefect witness. God could have used him like He used Billy Graham, T J Jakes and others. What a crowd to preach to. Girls would not throw their panties at him, because he would have told them to sin not. What really would have happen is what happens to all that turn to God, we become hated for name of Jesus. I hate to tell you, but your analogy of how Michael would have lived his Christian life is baseless and it is the worst exaggeration.
If Jesus would have not none of that, then why is he allowing big name persons to come to the temple where thousands are gathered to fill the plates. Do better than this! This is weak.
Sir or Ms, My objection to this is frankly, where was this announcement before he passed. The Bible states this thing was not done in a corner. Christianity is open for the world to see. We are the lights of the world, no man hides a light under a bushel. We are the salt of the earth, but if the salt has lost its savor it is good for nothing. When did Michael make this confession of faith? I was saved in 1977. Every worshipping Christian I know can tell you the date they were saved. It is not a secret. And the ones that labored with us can tell you when. We want to rejoice just like the angles when on soul repent. I’m sorry we could do it with Michael, because God had a different method for him. God help you people that try to play God after a person has died. This is entertainment all over again.
Again, ALL conversions are "death bed experiences."
Maybe you need to re-read the Bible, because in Ephesians 2:1, It states: "And you hath He quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins...".
Did you see it: "'D-E-A-D' in trespasses and sins"?
And by the way, "Anonymous," a literal death bed conversion does not cheapen the Gospel of Jesus Christ, but contrastingly, MAGNIFIES It!
It demonstrates in the most striking way that salvation comes solely by faith in Christ, as He offers His mercy and grace to save us, and not by any work of our righteous acts. For Ephesians 2:4-10 further states:
"But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love wherewith He loved us, even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ (by grace ye are saved), and hath raised us up together and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus, that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God--not by works, lest any man should boast."
So when those of us saved by Faith Alone in Jesus Christ Alone gather in Heaven, and if in fact Michael did place his faith in Christ, he'll be there too--not because of all his righteous acts, but because of his MERCIFUL Savior. And this, and not our works, will be the testimony of, "The exceeding riches of God's grace!"
Your welcome!
Blessings!
BCNN1 Fan
I believe Michael may have accepted Christ. However, Andre Crouch has reportedly said that he did not do so during his visit with Michael. They did however speak of Jesus and salvation. The Bible promises that God's Word does not return void. So, while Michael may not have prayed with Andre and his wife the Holy Spirit could have brought these things to remembrance. Regardless of what happens God's justice is perfect and we must trust in that. In the meantime, this should serve as a lesson for those of us who call ourselves believers to pray for those in the media and around us, and share the Gospel. We cannot save only Jesus saves. We cannot convince or convict a person's heart but the Holy Spirit can and when someone is alone with their thoughts they may call to Christ. I was saved 13 years ago in my room while writing. I recalled the many times I heard about Christ. I am certain it was the work of the Spirit. God is not bound by human limitations or biases.
I believe Michael may have accepted Christ. However, Andre Crouch has reportedly said that he did not do so during his visit with Michael. They did however speak of Jesus and salvation. The Bible promises that God's Word does not return void. So, while Michael may not have prayed with Andre and his wife the Holy Spirit could have brought these things to remembrance. Regardless of what happens God's justice is perfect and we must trust in that. In the meantime, this should serve as a lesson for those of us who call ourselves believers to pray for those in the media and around us, and share the Gospel. We cannot save only Jesus saves. We cannot convince or convict a person's heart but the Holy Spirit can and when someone is alone with their thoughts they may call to Christ. I was saved 13 years ago in my room while writing. I recalled the many times I heard about Christ. I am certain it was the work of the Spirit. God is not bound by human limitations or biases.
You said it yourself that you don't know where MJ is..so stop right there. Like the two theives on the cross when Jesus was being crucified--both theives died but one accepted Jesus into his heart before he died. Jesus comment to this theif was that you will be in paradise. I guess to make a long story short is to just be ready to do yourself--now knowing Jesus Christ. Ofcourse the theif that accepted Jesus into his heart probably didn't live a lifetime glorifying Christ name but he did accept him. That is what it's about. As a matter of fact-if you are given the opportunity to accept Christ on your death bed that is a great opportunity that God has allowed. God could just kill everyone and we probably all will perish. So, be ready now, let God use your life, cause the rest of the stuff is forever--either you know him and accept him, or you die without him and that is a scary place to be.
thank you, for your comments. I love Jesus also I do many things wrong. I received jesus I think just as I was a little child but also I was 19 Years of age. at this age my life was just a mess and I really checked not a half of it, what it means, to live a life with Jesus. indeed all the wasted years I doubted if I really would belong to him or not. but it´s also only a few weeks ago I so clearly recogniced, that Jesus really lives in me and no matter, what I do, he will never ever leave me, nor forsake me.
I would wish I could make my live as worthy for Jesus to live as Michael did on his way. No matter what, I think I have to look on my own. I´m accepted also without any work I did. all the years I lived in fear, that I would not do inought for my heavenly father but this not true. I think we have to learn to receive the goodness of god in Christ Jesus to set us free from all boundaries (i.e. smoking, lying and other "not so bad" stuff!!), so that we can give back to the the word what really comes from him!
so Jesus did not come to judge the world but to remind them of the goodness and mercy of the loving father in heaven who IS personally love in Christ Jesus who´s ultimately longing is to save and not to judge. or what would you think? are YOU perfect in loving others, to have patience, endurance and never ever giving up anybody, do YOU seek the face of good for all the people knowing what god thinks about them, knowing the very depth of their heart?
I think we all need grace from above to give the VERY best for him, who relly gave everything but not to crown himself, but who came to wash the feet of those who really are struggeling with their identity (like MJ and many others...)
I personally think that MJ was very gifted by god and others would dream to be like that and I also think that he saw spiritually things in a great way. I was broken, that I did not pray more for him, that others love him to Jesus Christ. I prayed now and god gave me one word, it is: Philippians 4:7 (New International Version)
7And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.
seek him above all,
yours Moni (from Germany - I hope you can understand my bit of english ... )
bless you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thank you BCNN1 Fan (June 30, 2009 9:39 PM)
Remember God owes us nothing, but He has left us His promises. He is not a man that He should lie, accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior and you shall be saved.Did Micheal accept Jesus as Lord and Savior? I want to hope he did, but I am not God(aren't you glad I'm not).Thank you Sandra and Andre for being obedient for obedience is greater than sacrifice.
Anonymous,
Here is where an understanding of theology is necessary. The thief did not accept Jesus Christ. He asked him to remember him. Salvation wasn’t given, because Jesus had not died and risen from the dead. The other thief did not reject Jesus, he ask to be saved in this world. Jesus wasn’t offered to them for them to receive him in their hearts. Jesus died under the law to redeem us from the penalty of the law. These thieves were the children of Abraham. They didn’t have to accept Jesus Christ, until after his death and resurrection. The Holy Spirit was given at the time the thieves died, therefore they could not received Jesus in their hearts. Neither one of their request had any relevance toward the New Testament salvation. If they were circumcised and follow that broken system of Judaism, they had a place in Abraham bosom or the upper level of Hedes (not Paradise).
Michael Jackson’s demise doesn’t fall under death bed salvation. When he collapsed, he never had an opportunity to confess anything (salvation or other wise). Now, with that said, this discussion is about was he had done prior to his death. According to Jesse, It is Up To Him, and Anonymous, they have valuable information about his confession of faith. Remember Larry Flynt’s confession of faith. He never changed his habits. The question is when did Michael make this confession and what followed after? We are talking years or months. If it was years, why didn’t he go to church, why didn’t he say himself that he is now saved. If it was months, why didn’t the good preachers advised him of the scriptures in Hebrews that stated ‘forsake not the assembling of your self together.’
Help the church out a little. We are the body of Christ. I would love to know that my leg is attached. I’m not the one making allegations. Thank God for blogs. When people make frivolous statements in support of something that is suspect, they need to be called on the carpet. People souls are too important to mislead them in thinking what the bible doesn’t declare. Heaven and Hell are real spiritual places where our souls will go after we die. The Bible isn’t like the rhetorical slippery slope theory. It is about strict acceptance and discipleship living. Today is the day of salvation. This is what the Bible teaches.
BCNN1 Fan,
This conversation is about physical-natural- death. It is when a person stops breathing, not when they are born. The rhetorical smoke screen you are using to add value to this conversation is fugal. The righteousness of Christ is acts of holy living. This has nothing to do with the doctrine of works under the law. Faith is an action verb. Hebrews 6 gives us a foundation of the works of righteousness in Christ toward us. Holiness and sanctification are a spiritual demography that tells others we can show them the way to Christ. Paul said follow me as I follow Christ. If I followed any character on this blog, can any say they can led me to Christ or to a world concert?
Tanya 1
You are just too funny. What part of osmosis works in this case? Thank God Andre Crouch came out to clear his name. Here are the scriptures, how can they hear without a preacher… be a doer of the word and not hearers only. That means act out what chances the Word perform in our lives.
Based on this theory of your, every person that comes to church, goes to camp meeting, goes to chapel service and or cusses God are saved because they heard the Word. Please!!! You were saved because you acted on the word that you heard, not because the sound of someone’s voice vibrated the bone in your ears.
I agree and believe on the instructions and teaching of the bible. Those who profess Christ as their Lord and Savior need to continue to be doers of the word, and not just hears only. Discipleship is critical to those who say they have a relationship with God,(which as you know only through accepting of his son Jesus Christ). But acts of being discipleship and going to church, though it is very important for spiritual growth, it is not a requirement to be saved. Roman 10: 9 says “that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved”.
I agree and believe on the instructions and teaching of the bible. Those who profess Christ as their Lord and Savior need to continue to be doers of the word, and not just hears only. Discipleship is critical to those who say they have a relationship with God,(which as you know only through accepting of his son Jesus Christ). But acts of being discipleship and going to church, though it is very important for spiritual growth, it is not a requirement to be saved. Roman 10: 9 says “that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved”.
1FOR THE kingdom of heaven is like the owner of an estate who went out in the morning [a]along with the dawn to hire workmen for his vineyard.
2After agreeing with the laborers for a denarius a day, he sent them into his vineyard.
3And going out about the third hour (nine o'clock), he saw others standing idle in the marketplace;
4And he said to them, You go also into the vineyard, and whatever is right I will pay you. And they went.
5He went out again about the sixth hour (noon), and the ninth hour (three o'clock) he did the same.
6And about the eleventh hour (five o'clock) he went out and found still others standing around, and said to them, Why do you stand here idle all day?
7They answered him, Because nobody has hired us. He told them, You go out into the vineyard also [b]and you will get whatever is just and fair.
8When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his manager, Call the workmen and pay them their wages, beginning with the last and ending with the first.(A)
9And those who had been hired at the eleventh hour (five o'clock) came and received a denarius each.
10Now when the first came, they supposed they would get more, but each of them also received a denarius.
11And when they received it, they grumbled at the owner of the estate,
12Saying, These [men] who came last worked no more than an hour, and yet you have made them rank with us who have borne the burden and the [c]scorching heat of the day.
13But he answered one of them, Friend, I am doing you no injustice. Did you not agree with me for a denarius?
14Take what belongs to you and go. I choose to give to this man hired last the same as I give to you.
15Am I not permitted to do what I choose with what is mine? [Or do you begrudge my being generous?] Is your eye evil because I am good?
16So those who [now] are last will be first [then], and those who [now] are first will be last [then]. [d]For many are called, but few chosen.
1FOR THE kingdom of heaven is like the owner of an estate who went out in the morning [a]along with the dawn to hire workmen for his vineyard.
2After agreeing with the laborers for a denarius a day, he sent them into his vineyard.
3And going out about the third hour (nine o'clock), he saw others standing idle in the marketplace;
4And he said to them, You go also into the vineyard, and whatever is right I will pay you. And they went.
5He went out again about the sixth hour (noon), and the ninth hour (three o'clock) he did the same.
6And about the eleventh hour (five o'clock) he went out and found still others standing around, and said to them, Why do you stand here idle all day?
7They answered him, Because nobody has hired us. He told them, You go out into the vineyard also [b]and you will get whatever is just and fair.
8When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his manager, Call the workmen and pay them their wages, beginning with the last and ending with the first.(A)
9And those who had been hired at the eleventh hour (five o'clock) came and received a denarius each.
10Now when the first came, they supposed they would get more, but each of them also received a denarius.
11And when they received it, they grumbled at the owner of the estate,
12Saying, These [men] who came last worked no more than an hour, and yet you have made them rank with us who have borne the burden and the [c]scorching heat of the day.
13But he answered one of them, Friend, I am doing you no injustice. Did you not agree with me for a denarius?
14Take what belongs to you and go. I choose to give to this man hired last the same as I give to you.
15Am I not permitted to do what I choose with what is mine? [Or do you begrudge my being generous?] Is your eye evil because I am good?
16So those who [now] are last will be first [then], and those who [now] are first will be last [then]. [d]For many are called, but few chosen.
"Only God Knows If Michael Jackson In His Private Moments Of Life Accepted Jesus As LORD And SAVIOUR" But My Advice To You Is: "Do It Openly Today"
"Our Bodies Are Like Time Bombs,
We Never Know When They Will Explode, Although We Can Sometimes Appear So Healthy"
John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. King James Version
John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. King James Version
John 3:1-7
3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
King James Version
• This Excerpt Was Taken From www.christianpress.com
• Jackson reached out to Gospel artist Andrae Crouch and minister sister in final days
• “Andrae and Sandra did in fact visit with Michael Jackson two times, once at the recording studio, and once at his home in the last two months, as recently as three weeks ago, asking for prayer concerning the anointing of the Holy Spirit, and how he could make his music more ‘spiritual,’” noted Crouch’s Facebook administrator.
• “So Andrae and Sandra explained to him about the anointing and about Jesus. He wanted to know what makes your hands go up, and makes you ‘come out of yourself,’ and what gives a ‘spirituality’ to the music? He then requested to hear his favorite song that he loves and wanted then to sing to him, so they...joined hands and sang together, and he said, ‘it was beautiful.’ He first heard it in New York, and loved it and wanted it on tape. He had the engineer tape the song sang to him by Andrae and Sandra. He definitely had an encounter with them.”
• As to whether or not the legendary singer had prayed to receive Christ, through his spokesman Crouch responded: “He did NOT reject Jesus or the prayer when (we) prayed, and gladly joined in prayer.”
NICODEMUS
Nicodemus was a wealthy, educated and powerful man-well respected by his people and a descendant of the patriarch Abraham. Yet Jesus said to him, "You must be born again" (John 3:7). The Greek adverb translated again can also mean "from the beginning" (suggesting a new creation) and "from above" (that is, from God). In other words Jesus told Nicodemus that physical generation was not enough, nor could his descent from the line of Abraham enable him to be saved. Only as a person has a spiritual generation-a birth from above-will he be able to see the kingdom of God.
The next time Nicodemus appears in the Gospel of John, he shows a cautious, guarded sympathy with Jesus. When the Sanhedrin began to denounce Jesus as a false prophet, Nicodemus counseled the court by saying, "Does our law judge a man before it hears him and knows what he is doing?" (John 7:51).
Nicodemus appears a third and final time in the Gospel of John. Obviously a wealthy man, he purchased about a hundred pounds of spices to be placed between the folds of the cloth in which Jesus was buried (John 19:39). Nothing else is known of Nicodemus from the Bible. But there is reason to believe that he became a follower of Jesus.
(from Nelson's Illustrated Bible Dictionary, Copyright (c)1986, Thomas Nelson Publishers)
Sincerely, LS
Dallas, Texas
7-1-09
"Only God Knows If Michael Jackson In His Private Moments Of Life Accepted Jesus As LORD And SAVIOUR" But My Advice To You Is: "Do It Openly Today"
"Our Bodies Are Like Time Bombs,
We Never Know When They Will Explode, Although We Can Sometimes Appear So Healthy"
John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. King James Version
John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. King James Version
John 3:1-7
3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
King James Version
• This Excerpt Was Taken From www.christianpress.com
• Jackson reached out to Gospel artist Andrae Crouch and minister sister in final days
• “Andrae and Sandra did in fact visit with Michael Jackson two times, once at the recording studio, and once at his home in the last two months, as recently as three weeks ago, asking for prayer concerning the anointing of the Holy Spirit, and how he could make his music more ‘spiritual,’” noted Crouch’s Facebook administrator.
• “So Andrae and Sandra explained to him about the anointing and about Jesus. He wanted to know what makes your hands go up, and makes you ‘come out of yourself,’ and what gives a ‘spirituality’ to the music? He then requested to hear his favorite song that he loves and wanted then to sing to him, so they...joined hands and sang together, and he said, ‘it was beautiful.’ He first heard it in New York, and loved it and wanted it on tape. He had the engineer tape the song sang to him by Andrae and Sandra. He definitely had an encounter with them.”
• As to whether or not the legendary singer had prayed to receive Christ, through his spokesman Crouch responded: “He did NOT reject Jesus or the prayer when (we) prayed, and gladly joined in prayer.”
NICODEMUS
Nicodemus was a wealthy, educated and powerful man-well respected by his people and a descendant of the patriarch Abraham. Yet Jesus said to him, "You must be born again" (John 3:7). The Greek adverb translated again can also mean "from the beginning" (suggesting a new creation) and "from above" (that is, from God). In other words Jesus told Nicodemus that physical generation was not enough, nor could his descent from the line of Abraham enable him to be saved. Only as a person has a spiritual generation-a birth from above-will he be able to see the kingdom of God.
The next time Nicodemus appears in the Gospel of John, he shows a cautious, guarded sympathy with Jesus. When the Sanhedrin began to denounce Jesus as a false prophet, Nicodemus counseled the court by saying, "Does our law judge a man before it hears him and knows what he is doing?" (John 7:51).
Nicodemus appears a third and final time in the Gospel of John. Obviously a wealthy man, he purchased about a hundred pounds of spices to be placed between the folds of the cloth in which Jesus was buried (John 19:39). Nothing else is known of Nicodemus from the Bible. But there is reason to believe that he became a follower of Jesus.
(from Nelson's Illustrated Bible Dictionary, Copyright (c)1986, Thomas Nelson Publishers)
Sincerely, LS
Dallas, Texas
7-1-09
1FOR THE kingdom of heaven is like the owner of an estate who went out in the morning [a]along with the dawn to hire workmen for his vineyard.
2After agreeing with the laborers for a denarius a day, he sent them into his vineyard.
3And going out about the third hour (nine o'clock), he saw others standing idle in the marketplace;
4And he said to them, You go also into the vineyard, and whatever is right I will pay you. And they went.
5He went out again about the sixth hour (noon), and the ninth hour (three o'clock) he did the same.
6And about the eleventh hour (five o'clock) he went out and found still others standing around, and said to them, Why do you stand here idle all day?
7They answered him, Because nobody has hired us. He told them, You go out into the vineyard also [b]and you will get whatever is just and fair.
8When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his manager, Call the workmen and pay them their wages, beginning with the last and ending with the first.(A)
9And those who had been hired at the eleventh hour (five o'clock) came and received a denarius each.
10Now when the first came, they supposed they would get more, but each of them also received a denarius.
11And when they received it, they grumbled at the owner of the estate,
12Saying, These [men] who came last worked no more than an hour, and yet you have made them rank with us who have borne the burden and the [c]scorching heat of the day.
13But he answered one of them, Friend, I am doing you no injustice. Did you not agree with me for a denarius?
14Take what belongs to you and go. I choose to give to this man hired last the same as I give to you.
15Am I not permitted to do what I choose with what is mine? [Or do you begrudge my being generous?] Is your eye evil because I am good?
16So those who [now] are last will be first [then], and those who [now] are first will be last [then]. [d]For many are called, but few chosen.
READ UR BIBLES PEOPLE. ALL I SEE IS A BUNCH OF PEOPLE DEBATING THIER POINT OF VIEW.INSTEAD OF EXAMINING THE SCRIPTURE,LET GOD BE THE FINAL JUDGE. MOREOVER THE ABOVE PASSAGE SHOWS US THAT NOT MATTER IF YOU CAME TO THE LORD EALRY IN LIFE OR AT THE LAST HOURS OF YOUR LIFE, AT THE END OF THE DAY OUR "REWARD" IS ETERNAL LIFE.
1FOR THE kingdom of heaven is like the owner of an estate who went out in the morning [a]along with the dawn to hire workmen for his vineyard.
2After agreeing with the laborers for a denarius a day, he sent them into his vineyard.
3And going out about the third hour (nine o'clock), he saw others standing idle in the marketplace;
4And he said to them, You go also into the vineyard, and whatever is right I will pay you. And they went.
5He went out again about the sixth hour (noon), and the ninth hour (three o'clock) he did the same.
6And about the eleventh hour (five o'clock) he went out and found still others standing around, and said to them, Why do you stand here idle all day?
7They answered him, Because nobody has hired us. He told them, You go out into the vineyard also [b]and you will get whatever is just and fair.
8When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his manager, Call the workmen and pay them their wages, beginning with the last and ending with the first.(A)
9And those who had been hired at the eleventh hour (five o'clock) came and received a denarius each.
10Now when the first came, they supposed they would get more, but each of them also received a denarius.
11And when they received it, they grumbled at the owner of the estate,
12Saying, These [men] who came last worked no more than an hour, and yet you have made them rank with us who have borne the burden and the [c]scorching heat of the day.
13But he answered one of them, Friend, I am doing you no injustice. Did you not agree with me for a denarius?
14Take what belongs to you and go. I choose to give to this man hired last the same as I give to you.
15Am I not permitted to do what I choose with what is mine? [Or do you begrudge my being generous?] Is your eye evil because I am good?
16So those who [now] are last will be first [then], and those who [now] are first will be last [then]. [d]For many are called, but few chosen.
READ UR BIBLES PEOPLE. ALL I SEE IS A BUNCH OF PEOPLE DEBATING THIER POINT OF VIEW.INSTEAD OF EXAMINING THE SCRIPTURE,LET GOD BE THE FINAL JUDGE. MOREOVER THE ABOVE PASSAGE SHOWS US THAT NOT MATTER IF YOU CAME TO THE LORD EALRY IN LIFE OR AT THE LAST HOURS OF YOUR LIFE, AT THE END OF THE DAY OUR "REWARD" IS ETERNAL LIFE.
1FOR THE kingdom of heaven is like the owner of an estate who went out in the morning [a]along with the dawn to hire workmen for his vineyard.
2After agreeing with the laborers for a denarius a day, he sent them into his vineyard.
3And going out about the third hour (nine o'clock), he saw others standing idle in the marketplace;
4And he said to them, You go also into the vineyard, and whatever is right I will pay you. And they went.
5He went out again about the sixth hour (noon), and the ninth hour (three o'clock) he did the same.
6And about the eleventh hour (five o'clock) he went out and found still others standing around, and said to them, Why do you stand here idle all day?
7They answered him, Because nobody has hired us. He told them, You go out into the vineyard also [b]and you will get whatever is just and fair.
8When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his manager, Call the workmen and pay them their wages, beginning with the last and ending with the first.(A)
9And those who had been hired at the eleventh hour (five o'clock) came and received a denarius each.
10Now when the first came, they supposed they would get more, but each of them also received a denarius.
11And when they received it, they grumbled at the owner of the estate,
12Saying, These [men] who came last worked no more than an hour, and yet you have made them rank with us who have borne the burden and the [c]scorching heat of the day.
13But he answered one of them, Friend, I am doing you no injustice. Did you not agree with me for a denarius?
14Take what belongs to you and go. I choose to give to this man hired last the same as I give to you.
15Am I not permitted to do what I choose with what is mine? [Or do you begrudge my being generous?] Is your eye evil because I am good?
16So those who [now] are last will be first [then], and those who [now] are first will be last [then]. [d]For many are called, but few chosen.
READ UR BIBLES PEOPLE. ALL I SEE IS A BUNCH OF PEOPLE DEBATING THIER POINT OF VIEW.INSTEAD OF EXAMINING THE SCRIPTURE,LET GOD BE THE FINAL JUDGE. MOREOVER THE ABOVE PASSAGE SHOWS US THAT NOT MATTER IF YOU CAME TO THE LORD EALRY IN LIFE OR AT THE LAST HOURS OF YOUR LIFE, AT THE END OF THE DAY OUR "REWARD" IS ETERNAL LIFE.
1FOR THE kingdom of heaven is like the owner of an estate who went out in the morning [a]along with the dawn to hire workmen for his vineyard.
2After agreeing with the laborers for a denarius a day, he sent them into his vineyard.
3And going out about the third hour (nine o'clock), he saw others standing idle in the marketplace;
4And he said to them, You go also into the vineyard, and whatever is right I will pay you. And they went.
5He went out again about the sixth hour (noon), and the ninth hour (three o'clock) he did the same.
6And about the eleventh hour (five o'clock) he went out and found still others standing around, and said to them, Why do you stand here idle all day?
7They answered him, Because nobody has hired us. He told them, You go out into the vineyard also [b]and you will get whatever is just and fair.
8When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his manager, Call the workmen and pay them their wages, beginning with the last and ending with the first.(A)
9And those who had been hired at the eleventh hour (five o'clock) came and received a denarius each.
10Now when the first came, they supposed they would get more, but each of them also received a denarius.
11And when they received it, they grumbled at the owner of the estate,
12Saying, These [men] who came last worked no more than an hour, and yet you have made them rank with us who have borne the burden and the [c]scorching heat of the day.
13But he answered one of them, Friend, I am doing you no injustice. Did you not agree with me for a denarius?
14Take what belongs to you and go. I choose to give to this man hired last the same as I give to you.
15Am I not permitted to do what I choose with what is mine? [Or do you begrudge my being generous?] Is your eye evil because I am good?
16So those who [now] are last will be first [then], and those who [now] are first will be last [then]. [d]For many are called, but few chosen.
READ UR BIBLES PEOPLE. ALL I SEE IS A BUNCH OF PEOPLE DEBATING THIER POINT OF VIEW.INSTEAD OF EXAMINING THE SCRIPTURE,LET GOD BE THE FINAL JUDGE. MOREOVER THE ABOVE PASSAGE SHOWS US THAT NOT MATTER IF YOU CAME TO THE LORD EALRY IN LIFE OR AT THE LAST HOURS OF YOUR LIFE, AT THE END OF THE DAY OUR "REWARD" IS ETERNAL LIFE.
Frank, I'm glad you are not God, because you don't know what happened to MJ's soul. And I don't know what happened either. Oh, by the way, NO ONE KNOWS - the only thing I DO KNOW is that God knows and doesn't want us to do His job and put judgement on other people!
I'm glad you, nor any human, nor any creation God made knows better than Him. You are no judge and therefore you have no right to say where any man's soul goes. Because you don't know the heart of a person before they die. Even if you think you do with your assumptions from TV footage, you still know nothing about where his soul goes.
As a Christian, you must not speak fire and brimstone - about who goes to hell and who doesn't. You put the rest of us Christians that love Jesus in a very difficult situation. When you judge people, you allow those that persecute Christians to attack us with that same tongue you use against "sinners." You and I are no less a sinner than MJ was - no matter how much plastic surgery he got or how many drugs he was on, etc. The only human that ever walked the earth that was without sin was Jesus.
God doesn't want you casting stones at anyone, even if you cast them in Jesus' name - God's name is only to be praised, and not to be used to rebuke.
Ever heard of "love the sinner, hate the sin?"
He wants you to be a light in the darkness. So, fix your attitude and start leading people to Jesus, instead of pushing people away from Him.
2 Timothy 4:1-5 "I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom: Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry."
Frank, I'm glad you are not God, because you don't know what happened to MJ's soul. And I don't know what happened either. Oh, by the way, NO ONE KNOWS - the only thing I DO KNOW is that God knows and doesn't want us to do His job and put judgement on other people!
I'm glad you, nor any human, nor any creation God made knows better than Him. You are no judge and therefore you have no right to say where any man's soul goes. Because you don't know the heart of a person before they die. Even if you think you do with your assumptions from TV footage, you still know nothing about where his soul goes.
As a Christian, you must not speak fire and brimstone - about who goes to hell and who doesn't. You put the rest of us Christians that love Jesus in a very difficult situation. When you judge people, you allow those that persecute Christians to attack us with that same tongue you use against "sinners." You and I are no less a sinner than MJ was - no matter how much plastic surgery he got or how many drugs he was on, etc. The only human that ever walked the earth that was without sin was Jesus.
God doesn't want you casting stones at anyone, even if you cast them in Jesus' name - God's name is only to be praised, and not to be used to rebuke.
Ever heard of "love the sinner, hate the sin?"
He wants you to be a light in the darkness. So, fix your attitude and start leading people to Jesus, instead of pushing people away from Him.
2 Timothy 4:1-5 "I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom: Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry."
At this point of time in our life we all need a saviour aand that is Jesus Christ. I pray that you willfind him as well and have a Blessed and wonderful day
Praying for you
CB, thank you for sharing your father's salvation story, it has brought tears of joy to me. God's salvation is so beautiful and cleansing.
I woke up in the middle of the night months ago at 3:00 a.m. (usually my wake up call) and prayed for Michael Jackson for quite a while in detail. I know God was talking to him. I haven't thought about him or played his music since I was 17 or so. Watch this video, he prayed and accepted Jesus 3 weeks ago!!!!!! PRAISE GOD!
CB, thank you for sharing your father's salvation story, it has brought tears of joy to me. God's salvation is so beautiful and cleansing.
Sadly - Andre Crouch's family is reporting on his facebook site that the story is false.
Please continue to pray for the rest of the Jackson family - that God will lift up workers into their lives who will lead them to the truth of Jesus Christ - and His sacrifice to save mankind.
Peace. --De
Yeah, you are right! We reduce the gospel of Jesus Christ. Just pray a little prayer and give your heart to Jesus. And WHERE does the bible teach that? We are called to follow God, to live according to His Word, knowing that Jesus Christ has saved us and repenting of our sins, not just once. Paul Washer is a great teacher of the bible. Just google!
Franklin,
Yeah, you are right! We reduce the gospel of Jesus Christ. Just pray a little prayer and give your heart to Jesus. And WHERE does the bible teach that? We are called to follow God, to live according to His Word, knowing that Jesus Christ has saved us and repenting of our sins, not just once. Paul Washer is a great teacher of the bible. Just google!
LadyVirtuous78 | July 1, 2009 2:03 PM |
The scriptures that are posted in its entirety are explaining that the Gentile will receive the same reward as the Jews, even if they came in last. The Gentile would make a greater impact on the world than the Jews. They would evangelize the world for Christ. They will not hide behind creeds and laws. They will be public in their faith. The first shall be last and the last shall be first.
Michelle Wise, may we know where to view this video. Not to judge but to enjoy and rejoice.
Please post it. Thanks
I sent Andre an email before 12:00 PM today, and ask if he would make a public statement regarding this story. Thank you very much for sharing. It is not my intention or the intention of others to belittle Michael or any other famous person. I am part of the body of Christ and I would like to know who is a part of this with me. With this said, I would like to know about the private and secretly-secluded places of Michael’s faith that some on this blog seem to know about. We are asking to help Michael’s memory in Christianity, that you reveal the truth of the proof that he received salvation and was going to live for Christ.
What is wrong with everybody? Michael Jackson came to the end of his days - NO ONE controls that but JESUS CHRIST- who has the keys to death, hell and the grave. MJ was no different than anyone else in the eyes of God. When any of us stand before Him, either being savior or judge, will be dependent upon "did you accept what my son did on Calvary for you or did you reject him?" The thief on the cross said no long "sinners prayer" but my Lord said that he would be with him in paradise. Also the issue of him still taking the drugs, there are people who smoke cigarettes, gamble, are gluttons, back biters, use otc and illegal drugs that say that they are "saved" and you probably listen to or watch them on a daily basis. Some people may have an instant deliverance some don't. The deliverance may not be that easy, but I will say that a true christian who is dedicating their lives to a real Relationship with Christ will not practice sin on a daily basis. THis walk is not so clear sometimes when habits and poor decisions that we have made along the way are present. It is just like the young lady who fornicates and becomes pregnant. Do you shun her and her child because she is reaping the outcome of her decision to have sex outside of marriage? No- you assist them to redirect that behavior and replace it with a mindset to live holy because God is holy and when you love someone enough you will not deliberately hurt them. No, I don't know where MJ will spend eternity, but I pray that the "hell" he went through on earth did not send him to a holding cell in hell until that Great Day of Judgement.
What is wrong with everybody? Michael Jackson came to the end of his days - NO ONE controls that but JESUS CHRIST- who has the keys to death, hell and the grave. MJ was no different than anyone else in the eyes of God. When any of us stand before Him, either being savior or judge, will be dependent upon "did you accept what my son did on Calvary for you or did you reject him?" The thief on the cross said no long "sinners prayer" but my Lord said that he would be with him in paradise. Also the issue of him still taking the drugs, there are people who smoke cigarettes, gamble, are gluttons, back biters, use otc and illegal drugs that say that are "saved" and you probably listen to or watch them on a daily basis. Some people may have an instant deliverance some don't. The deliverance may not be that easy, but I will say that a true christian who is dedicating their lives to a real Relationship with Christ will not practice sin on a daily basis. THis walk is not so clear sometimes when habits and poor decisions that we have made along the way are present. It is just like the young lady who fornicates and becomes pregnant. Do you shun her and her child because she is reaping the outcome of her decision to have sex outside of marriage? No- you assist them to redirect that behavior and replace it with a mindset to live holy because God is holy and when you love someone enough you will not deliberately hurt them. No, I don't know where MJ will spend eternity, but I pray that the "hell" he went through on earth did not send him to a holding cell in hell until that Great Day of Judgement.
I have spent enough time on this website reading the discussions about MJ who is gone on, what about the poor soul outside our home or next door or the person you step over every day on your way to work or wherever- they still have a chance; go out and give them the GOspel- let the lord Give the increase!
What is wrong with everybody? Michael Jackson came to the end of his days - NO ONE controls that but JESUS CHRIST- who has the keys to death, hell and the grave. MJ was no different than anyone else in the eyes of God. When any of us stand before Him, either being savior or judge, will be dependent upon "did you accept what my son did on Calvary for you or did you reject him?" The thief on the cross said no long "sinners prayer" but my Lord said that he would be with him in paradise. Also the issue of him still taking the drugs, there are people who smoke cigarettes, gamble, are gluttons, back biters, use otc and illegal drugs that say that are "saved" and you probably listen to or watch them on a daily basis. Some people may have an instant deliverance some don't. The deliverance may not be that easy, but I will say that a true christian who is dedicating their lives to a real Relationship with Christ will not practice sin on a daily basis. THis walk is not so clear sometimes when habits and poor decisions that we have made along the way are present. It is just like the young lady who fornicates and becomes pregnant. Do you shun her and her child because she is reaping the outcome of her decision to have sex outside of marriage? No- you assist them to redirect that behavior and replace it with a mindset to live holy because God is holy and when you love someone enough you will not deliberately hurt them. No, I don't know where MJ will spend eternity, but I pray that the "hell" he went through on earth did not send him to a holding cell in hell until that Great Day of Judgement.
I have spent enough time on this website reading the discussions about MJ who is gone on, what about the poor soul outside our home or next door or the person you step over every day on your way to work or wherever- they still have a chance; go out and give them the GOspel- let the lord Give the increase!
It's amazing how we so-called Christians pass judgement on people even after they have accepted Christ. I thank God Jesus is my Saviour and looks at the HEART of every man. Noone knows what Michael Jackson was going through. I am eternally greatful that he accepted Christ as his Lord and Saviour before he died. To those of you who criticize the fact that he did it right before he died, SO WHAT!!! Do you remember the thief who sinned his entire life and just as he was crucified with Christ, he was received into heaven. This would be considered his death bed moment. These so called "Christians" who jugde othes without the love of Christ will be the very ones burning in hell. Don't forget the scripture about all those who did many things in the name of Christ, and were still cast into outer darkness because their heart was evil. Michael did a lot of good for this world and was brought up under such a critical lense, at home and during his fame. We should be blaming ourselves for the internal suffering he has had to deal with his whole life. Rest in peace Michael Jackson. I am so very thankful that you received Christ as your personal Saviour!!!!
Having read Mr.Rutledge's coments I have this to say; By their fruits you shall know(Rutledge)them.Wow this guy (Rutledge)is very religious but that's all just like the pharisees. Like MJ I'm a pro musician "THIS IS A JOB" to sir just like a truck driver or a doctor,this is the same kind of nonsense that Jesus had to put up with from those holier than thou pharisees.
Like the pharisees this guy dosn't know the heart of God/The Word of God.
Having read Mr.Rutledge's coments I have this to say; By their fruits you shall know(Rutledge)them.Wow this guy (Rutledge)is very religious but that's all just like the pharisees. Like MJ I'm a pro musician "THIS IS A JOB" to sir just like a truck driver or a doctor,this is the same kind of nonsense that Jesus had to put up with from those holier than thou pharisees.
Like the pharisees this guy dosn't know the heart of God/The Word of God.
Why wasn't the news trumpeted? I can think of a couple reasons. 1. It was just days before he died, and 2. he tried pretty hard to be PRIVATE, and 3. he was rehearsing for a big tour, and 4. not everyone has a "Paris Hilton finds Jesus in jail!" conversion where they call the local gossip rags to tell all.
Like MANY have said, ONLY GOD knows MJs heart and NONE OF US are to judge his heart. What we ARE to do, though, is PRAY FOR SALVATION FOR THE LOST. Maybe you haters should get on that instead of griping in here about what a pathetic spin this is.
Having read Mr.Rutledge's coments I have this to say; By their fruits you shall know(Rutledge)them.Wow this guy (Rutledge)is very religious but that's all just like the pharisees. Like MJ I'm a pro musician "THIS IS A JOB" to sir just like a truck driver or a doctor,this is the same kind of nonsense that Jesus had to put up with from those holier than thou pharisees.
Like the pharisees this guy dosn't know the heart of God/The Word of God.
hi jesse
is it really true that you knew michael? if so how did u know him? i am wondering if u can reply to me at wogarama@unwired.com.au as there is something special that i want to share with you if indeed what you are saying is true -something regarding mj that is personal and happened to me thanks
hi can u plse response to me at wogarama@unwired.com.au as i wanted to share something regarding michael that i think will make you very happy!
hi can u pls email me at wogarama@unwired.com.au as i want to share some great news about mj with you that i feel you will love
Steve Robinson,
When a person respond to a comment, especially one like I posted, they should point out what comment or statement was not true? Do you understand the Pharisee philosophy or their theology? Jesus showed them where they were wrong based on the Word of God. I would appreciate you quoting any scriptures that showed how I used the scriptures erroneously. If you can’t do that, then you will know why Jesus rebuked them. Also for the records, out of the four religious sects during that time, the Pharisees were the closes to the truth of the Law. If you are comparing me or any other true Christian with them, from a theological prospective it not that bad.
Anonymous | July 1, 2009 8:49 PM
Great post. Here is the problem that I had with the claim made of a visit to Andre Crouch and its out come. It never happened! If we will take time to read the Bible instead of guessing at its contents, we will discover the love, mercy, grace and judgment of God. I hope and pray that MJ was saved, but for people to testify of his salvation without proof, he didn’t say anything, it is fabrication of truth to deify a world icon. Regarding changes over time, you are quoting from Romans 6,7 and 8th chapters. No one is denying how a person comes to maturity in Christ. This is not the issue. The issue is the claim made. I have never known, before or after I got saved, a person of Michael’s image not wanting other to know they gave their life to Christ. For the record, three days before Michael passed, he was not in contact with any Christian. He was in seclusion working on his tour.
Lisa | July 2, 2009 12:48 AM | Reply
I didn’t read one (1) sentence of anyone hating MJ or anyone else on the blog. Why is it that when there is an objection, or a disagreement with a claim, the person is labeled a hater? Is it that we cant handle someone disagreeing with our god like perspective. Or, are we saying there is no truth. The truth is presumption and assumptions are sins. If we presume or assume anything in the name of God we are speaking on God’s behalf (check this out in the bible), and God will protect his name. If you read any of my comments, I never assume or presumed anything. I ask for proof from people that stated they had the proof. If we say something and cant back it up, we are lying. This is not about asking Michael, it is about asking people that stated they know he made a confession of faith. Not the ones that got it second hand. Little Richards told me himself that he accepted Jesus Christ, after being delivered from the demons of homosexuality and drugs. After he sat under Rev R W Shamboc ministry, he started preaching to the world about his faith in Christ. Sadly, he went back to world because of the love of money. I tried to work with him, but he had other agenders. Dr James Dobson has personal testimonies of Pistol Pete Maverick confession of faith. We jump on bandwagon, and condemn others for asking us why.
I don’t hate anyone. I will stay here and answer questions and give my opinions on comments that are made. Have you ever heard the term ‘ad homonym?’ The question being ask is how do I or any other Christian know that he didn’t make it in. Jehovah Witnesses don’t believe in Heaven.
How do I know he made it in; by his testimony and those that were there to hear it. According to the blogers on this site, there aren’t any. Assumption in any direction doesn’t establish truth.
Anna, share it will everyone. What is the scret? I would love to hear the good things
Franklin E Rutledge | June 29, 2009 5:48 PM |Your quote;
Give me a break. Is there no Hell? Why is it that us so called Christians send every body to hell while they are living in their sins, but as soon as they die we send them to heaven. Get over it. I loved Michael and was praying for him, but Mary, Mary are lying. This man was getting ready to do the same things he had always did.
Response:
Proverbs 18:13 (King James Version)
13He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.
It's wrong and unfair to judge a matter with out having all the facts
Matthew 7:2
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Matthew 7:1-3 (in Context) Matthew 7
The Word of God is not saying not to judge but on the contrary,if this is a judgement God expect you to make then you should with out doubt like God "HAVE ALL THE FACTS" judge righteous judgement.
The way you judge others God will jugde you.
Matthew 7:2
Your quote;
This man was getting ready to do the same things he had always did.
Response:
And what was that?
He was preparing to go to work just like any other entertainer,athlete,street sweeper,pilot,ditch digger,doctor and so on,what ever your occupation that's what do again and again.THIS IN GOD'S EYES/WORD IS NO SIN again I say to work (legitimately)is not a sin.
Your quote;
1.Everybody accepts Jesus. He is one more god on their shelf. We don’t know where
Michael soul is, but this statement is slap in the face to the power of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Response:
1.Galatians 6:7
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Your quote;
2.Why is it that God could never get any glory out of his life before his passed? Can not God save a man like Michael to use his for his glory? Who has the power to save except God?
Response:
2.Luke 15:10
Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.
Luke 15:9-11 (in Context) Luke 15 (Whole Chapter).
3.Your quote;
Why is it that every true Christian has to suffer for God,
3.Response;
John 15:17-19 (King James Version)
17These things I command you, that ye love one another.
18If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
19If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
3-b.2 Timothy 3:11-13 (King James Version)
11Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
12Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
Your quote.4;
"except those that Mary Mary and Andre Crouch save?" God saves and give people time to glorify him.
Response.4;
Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Titus 3:4-6 (in Context) Titus 3 (Whole Chapter)
5.Your quote;
Mary Mary and Andre Crouch save people while they are on their death bed, and they can never give glory God or give testimony to the saving power of Christ.
Response.5;
Matthew 20
1For the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which went out early in the morning to hire labourers into his vineyard.
2And when he had agreed with the labourers for a penny a day, he sent them into his vineyard.
3And he went out about the third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace,
4And said unto them; Go ye also into the vineyard, and whatsoever is right I will give you. And they went their way.
5Again he went out about the sixth and ninth hour, and did likewise.
6And about the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle, and saith unto them, Why stand ye here all the day idle?
7They say unto him, Because no man hath hired us. He saith unto them, Go ye also into the vineyard; and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive.
8So when even was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, Call the labourers, and give them their hire, beginning from the last unto the first.
9And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny.
10But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny.
11And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house,
12Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day.
13But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny?
14Take that thine is, and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee.
15Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?
16So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.
Response.5-b;
Luke 23:43
And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.
Luke 23:42-44 (in Context) Luke 23 (Whole Chapter)
Your quote.6;
This is why the world laughs at these hypocrites.
Response.6;Romans 8:5
For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Romans 8:4-6 (in Context) Romans 8 (Whole Chapter)
They have a form of godliness but deny the power thereof. It is God’s will that none should perish, but that all come to repentance. I don’t want to see any person go to hell. I can’t say where Michael is at. But the one thing I do know is God give us time to repent and glorify his name. Carlton Pearson was not right when he stated that no one goes to hell. I am ashamed of Andre Crouch. He knows better. Mary Mary, I can understand. Get over it. The man lived his life without Jesus Christ. He chose to die without Jesus Christ. He was getting ready to tour the world without Jesus Christ. All of this tells us one thing; he did not accept the Lord’s righteousness. God help the man or woman that dilute and water down the power of God. Everybody is no going to heaven or hell. So, let’s stop trying to put them there.
Response to the above quote;
Rev.20:15
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Revelation 20 (King James Version)
Revelation 20
1And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Excuse me,but it's not a good thing to try to be holier than Thou by passing judgment on a person who has accepted Jesus. A person can accept Jesus Christ in their last breath and can still bring glory to God. Many lives can be saved and changed by just hearing the powerful message that Michael Jackson accepted Christ. God knows His business and knows it well. It's not a requirement to be perfect to accept Christ; or in that case none of us would be saved. All believers are being transformed by the working of the Holy Spirit.
With that said, I say to others who have not yet received Jesus, don't worry about cleaning up your life first before accepting the Lord, just do it. It's His job to make your life right. Pushing all self-righteousness of others to the side, just "confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. (Romans 10;9,10 NIV). Ask the Holy Spirit to lead you to a local bible-believing church, and enjoy your life as you are being transformed. He's calling you to walk and talk with Him.
Your sister-in-Christ Jesus,
Min. Karen Wells
Please take that as a love call.
Your sister-in-Christ.
You are not GOD ether my friend and only god makes the choice for you to go to heaven or hell, we can only take someone at there word. WE ARE ALL SINNER INCLUDING YOU.
AMEN,
AM A 23 YOUONG CHRISTIAN . AND PRAYED FOT MICHEAL'S SPIRIT TO COMES BAC AND CONFESS JESUS AS HIS SAVIOR AND GO HOME TO HEAVEN WITH GOD.
MANOHAR.KV.
INDIA
You are right bro. I AGREE WITH YOU.
LOVE IS JESUS. I AM A 23 YEAR YOUNG CHRISTIAN.
I HAVE PRAYED FOR JOSEPH MICHAEL JACKSON'S SPIRIT TO COPME BACK TO HIS BODY AND CONFESS Lord Jesus as his personal savior and go bac to heave. JESUS SAID ANH THING YOU ANK IN MY NAME I WILL DO IT.."
INDIA
BRO JESSE CAN YOU LETS ME SOME INSATANCES WHEN JOSEPH MICHAEL JACKSON ASKED FOR PRAYER AND RECEIVED JESUS AS HIS SAVIOR.
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BRO JESSE CAN YOU LETS ME SOME INSATANCES WHEN JOSEPH MICHAEL JACKSON ASKED FOR PRAYER AND RECEIVED JESUS AS HIS SAVIOR. JESUS SAID ANY THING YOU ASK IN MY NAME I WILL DO IT. HALLELUJAH! u can cantact me at
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This is my re-response to Franklin E Rutledge, I hit the submit button before I put my name on it.( Steve Robinson)...
Franklin E Rutledge | June 29, 2009 5:48 PM
|Your quote;
Give me a break. Is there no Hell? Why is it that us so called Christians send every body to hell while they are living in their sins, but as soon as they die we send them to heaven. Get over it. I loved Michael and was praying for him, but Mary, Mary are lying. This man was getting ready to do the same things he had always did.
Response:
Proverbs 18:13 (King James Version)
13He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.
It's wrong and unfair to judge a matter with out having all the facts
Matthew 7:2
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Matthew 7:1-3 (in Context) Matthew 7
The Word of God is not saying not to judge but on the contrary,if this is a judgement God expect you to make then you should with out doubt like God "HAVE ALL THE FACTS" judge righteous judgement.
The way you judge others God will jugde you.
Matthew 7:2
Your quote;
This man was getting ready to do the same things he had always did.
Response:
And what was that?
He was preparing to go to work just like any other entertainer,athlete,street sweeper,pilot,ditch digger,doctor and so on,what ever your occupation that's what do again and again.THIS IN GOD'S EYES/WORD IS NO SIN again I say to work (legitimately)is not a sin.
Your quote;
1.Everybody accepts Jesus. He is one more god on their shelf. We don’t know where
Michael soul is, but this statement is slap in the face to the power of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Response:
1.Galatians 6:7
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Your quote;
2.Why is it that God could never get any glory out of his life before his passed? Can not God save a man like Michael to use his for his glory? Who has the power to save except God?
Response:
2.Luke 15:10
Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.
Luke 15:9-11 (in Context) Luke 15 (Whole Chapter).
3.Your quote;
Why is it that every true Christian has to suffer for God,
3.Response;
John 15:17-19 (King James Version)
17These things I command you, that ye love one another.
18If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
19If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
3-b.2 Timothy 3:11-13 (King James Version)
11Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
12Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
Your quote.4;
"except those that Mary Mary and Andre Crouch save?" God saves and give people time to glorify him.
Response.4;
Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Titus 3:4-6 (in Context) Titus 3 (Whole Chapter)
5.Your quote;
Mary Mary and Andre Crouch save people while they are on their death bed, and they can never give glory God or give testimony to the saving power of Christ.
Response.5;
Matthew 20
1For the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which went out early in the morning to hire labourers into his vineyard.
2And when he had agreed with the labourers for a penny a day, he sent them into his vineyard.
3And he went out about the third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace,
4And said unto them; Go ye also into the vineyard, and whatsoever is right I will give you. And they went their way.
5Again he went out about the sixth and ninth hour, and did likewise.
6And about the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle, and saith unto them, Why stand ye here all the day idle?
7They say unto him, Because no man hath hired us. He saith unto them, Go ye also into the vineyard; and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive.
8So when even was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, Call the labourers, and give them their hire, beginning from the last unto the first.
9And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny.
10But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny.
11And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house,
12Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day.
13But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny?
14Take that thine is, and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee.
15Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?
16So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.
Response.5-b;
Luke 23:43
And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.
Luke 23:42-44 (in Context) Luke 23 (Whole Chapter)
Your quote.6;
This is why the world laughs at these hypocrites.
Response.6;Romans 8:5
For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Romans 8:4-6 (in Context) Romans 8 (Whole Chapter)
They have a form of godliness but deny the power thereof. It is God’s will that none should perish, but that all come to repentance. I don’t want to see any person go to hell. I can’t say where Michael is at. But the one thing I do know is God give us time to repent and glorify his name. Carlton Pearson was not right when he stated that no one goes to hell. I am ashamed of Andre Crouch. He knows better. Mary Mary, I can understand. Get over it. The man lived his life without Jesus Christ. He chose to die without Jesus Christ. He was getting ready to tour the world without Jesus Christ. All of this tells us one thing; he did not accept the Lord’s righteousness. God help the man or woman that dilute and water down the power of God. Everybody is no going to heaven or hell. So, let’s stop trying to put them there.
Response to the above quote;
Rev.20:15
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Revelation 20 (King James Version)
Revelation 20
1And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
What does his taking drugs (prescription) have to do with anything. Do you not take medicine be it prescribed or over the counter? Does that not make you a christian? Jesus said "judge that ye be not judged", yet most of what I'm seeing is nothing but judgment. I believe that Mike did get saved and glory be to God for that. As a christian, are you perfect? No! Do you still make mistakes or mess up from time to time? Yes! Otherwise, what need would there be for you to be here. We are all pressing towards the mark. Mike was only saved for three weeks. How many people, especially celebrity christians announce their salvation within this time limit if at all? The important thing is that he is saved. Besides that, the media is not going to report or highlight his conversion. It doesn't sell.
Crown or no crown, as long as he's in heaven that's all that matters. The focus is not on position, who's the least or who's the greatest. The joy is over who made it in.
Who are you to say that it is too late for Michael. Scripture says that if you believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that you are saved. Were you there? Do you know if he did or not? Or is it that you are allowing whatever personal feelings you have towards Mike to make you want him to not be saved? Are you in a position to search God and know the type of glory that He receives from person to person? God gets the glory when we get the victory. Sometimes that glory is done publicly. Other times the glory is received privately. Check yourself and check your heart. We do know them by there fruit. The first fruit according to Gal. 5:22-23 is love. This is the love of God. Are you exemplifying that love?
Amen!
Smith Wigglesworth one day asked the Lord to lead him to witness to the person who was the closes to eternity (i think that's how it went). He was led to a man riding in a horse-drawn vehicle. He climbed up, joining the man and proceeded to witness about Christ Jesus. The man seemed hardened to the message at first but softened and gave his life to the Lord. I believe it was that night or the next day that the man died.
God is not willing that any should perish.
It appeared as though Michael was searching for the truth. We are all created with an empty void that only God can fill no matter how popular or wealthy we may be. I pray that Michael did call upon the Lord in his last days or final moments. Only God knows why he was taken before these concerts would begin. It's just another reminder that we must share the Gospel with our loved ones, families, friends, and those in general. If we don't share it, who will? Celebrity Christians also need to take a stand for the Lord and lead other celebrities to the Lord. Us non-celebrities can't even get close to them!
John 3:16 says For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. No where in that statement does it say that your death bed is to late to accept Jesus Christ. As Christians it is our job to go ye therefore and teach all nations. Basically we are to go out and spread the word of Jesus Christ, to everyone. EVERYONE MEANS EVERYONE. All nationalities, types of people, rich, poor, prisoners, law abiding citizens. However, I do believe that Michael Jackson's death serves a reminder to us. That Life is short, and you know not the day nor the hour that GOD will call you home.
Praise God for this news. After hearing this my heart is rejoicing with such gladness. God is amazing in so many ways and after hearing this I am going to live my best for God because you never know when it is your time to go. Thank you Jesus. :)
According to I Corinthians 13 Love hopes all things, believes all things and endures all things. God is love and God Almighty wants NONE to perish and I agree with Him. I pray it is true that Michael Jackson received Christ Jesus before he died which would mean being separated from God for all Eternity. I pray it is true!!!
No one said nor is it stated in the bible that a person has to clean up their life before they come to Christ. That would be impossible. At least I didn’t say it. I will state what I stated before. Assumption and presumptions are sins. Who and when did he confess his locality to Christ to? Christianity is an open book religion. Michael was a Jehovah Witness until his death. If he wasn’t, please tell the Christians how you know he was not. His family is reporting he was. But, if you believe and want him in Heaven with the Jesus, have it your way. In the mean time, the true Christian will keep witnessing to people to get them save from the adamic sins of Adam. If we don’t believe that people are sinners and need Christ as their Savior, let’s close down all the Churches and call God a liar. If I am holier than thou, according to one bloger, let it be so. There are billion of people like Michael that I have to lead to Christ. You can’t witness unless you make a judgment first. Have you ever witness to anyone about Jesus? Judgment means you have evidence, and you come to a conclusion because of that evidence. Prejudice is to come to a determination because of a personal perception. Stupidity is having the answer, and the evidence, but ignoring it to please ones ego.
When we read St. John 3:16, it starts at verse 1 and doesn’t stop there. Read the entire chapter. It concludes with, “They will not come to the light because their deeds are evil.” Don’t try to interpret the whole Bible on one verse. Don’t make God a social construct. The word repent is what it is. Jesus preached it as the principle theme of his messages. Then he preached this, ‘No one can come unto me except the Father draws him.’ And, ‘No one can come unto the Father except by Me.’ Jehovah Witnesses preach against this claim of Jesus. When did Michael leave this theological belief? And my next question is, do you believe Jesus’ statement?
No one said nor is it stated in the bible that a person has to clean up their life before they come to Christ. That would be impossible. At least I didn’t say it. I will state what I stated before. Assumption and presumptions are sins. Who and when did he confess his locality to Christ to? Christianity is an open book religion. Michael was a Jehovah Witness until his death. If he wasn’t, please tell the Christians how you know he was not. His family is reporting he was. But, if you believe and want him in Heaven with the Jesus, have it your way. In the mean time, the true Christian will keep witnessing to people to get them save from the adamic sins of Adam. If we don’t believe that people are sinners and need Christ as their Savior, let’s close down all the Churches and call God a liar. If I am holier than thou, according to one bloger, let it be so. There are billion of people like Michael that I have to lead to Christ. You can’t witness unless you make a judgment first. Have you ever witness to anyone about Jesus? Judgment means you have evidence, and you come to a conclusion because of that evidence. Prejudice is to come to a determination because of a personal perception. Stupidity is having the answer, and the evidence, but ignoring it to please ones ego.
When we read St. John 3:16, it starts at verse 1 and doesn’t stop there. Read the entire chapter. It concludes with, “They will not come to the light because their deeds are evil.” Don’t try to interpret the whole Bible on one verse. Don’t make God a social construct. The word repent is what it is. Jesus preached it as the principle theme of his messages. Then he preached this, ‘No one can come unto me except the Father draws him.’ And, ‘No one can come unto the Father except by Me.’ Jehovah Witnesses preach against this claim of Jesus. When did Michael leave this theological belief? And my next question is, do you believe Jesus’ statement?
No one said nor is it stated in the bible that a person has to clean up their life before they come to Christ. That would be impossible. At least I didn’t say it. I will state what I stated before. Assumption and presumptions are sins. Who and when did he confess his locality to Christ to? Christianity is an open book religion. Michael was a Jehovah Witness until his death. If he wasn’t, please tell the Christians how you know he was not. His family is reporting he was. But, if you believe and want him in Heaven with the Jesus, have it your way. In the mean time, the true Christian will keep witnessing to people to get them save from the adamic sins of Adam. If we don’t believe that people are sinners and need Christ as their Savior, let’s close down all the Churches and call God a liar. If I am holier than thou, according to one bloger, let it be so. There are billion of people like Michael that I have to lead to Christ. You can’t witness unless you make a judgment first. Have you ever witness to anyone about Jesus? Judgment means you have evidence, and you come to a conclusion because of that evidence. Prejudice is to come to a determination because of a personal perception. Stupidity is having the answer, and the evidence, but ignoring it to please ones ego.
When we read St. John 3:16, it starts at verse 1 and doesn’t stop there. Read the entire chapter. It concludes with, “They will not come to the light because their deeds are evil.” Don’t try to interpret the whole Bible on one verse. Don’t make God a social construct. The word repent is what it is. Jesus preached it as the principle theme of his messages. Then he preached this, ‘No one can come unto me except the Father draws him.’ And, ‘No one can come unto the Father except by Me.’ Jehovah Witnesses preach against this claim of Jesus. When did Michael leave this theological belief? And my next question is, do you believe Jesus’ statement?
Apparently you didnt read any thing I said in it's entirety. What a shame.
Instead of spending more time on trying to do God's work, I think we(serious Christians, saved by Grace) should be out there spreading the Gospel..I repeat..THE GOSPEL( Stop preaching another Gospel, true Gospel leads pple to repentence and humility in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ who changes you completely from a world lover to a world hater) to pple so that we hasten the coming of Our Lord Jesus Christ.
What is important at this time is to rejoice in the fact that Michael Jackson has accepted the Lord. It is not for us to judge if God would give him a crown or not or if he would be least in the kingdom or not. You may be surprised how God works in heaven, it maybe the reverse what we think. Let us not limit ourselves in our thinking of God's Abundance Grace and Mercy which is available to all freely and much more to the one that believes and accepts Him. Let's stop judging and rejoice in God's mysterious ways in leading his flock to His fold. Read about the parables of the lost sheep and the prodigal son.
I am rejoicing at the fact that Michael Jackson had been saved.
What is important at this time is to rejoice in the fact that Michael Jackson has accepted the Lord. It is not for us to judge if God would give him a crown or not or if he would be least in the kingdom or not. You may be surprised how God works in heaven, it maybe the reverse what we think. Let us not limit ourselves in our thinking of God's Abundance Grace and Mercy which is available to all freely and much more to the one that believes and accepts Him. Let's stop judging and rejoice in God's mysterious ways in leading his flock to His fold. Read about the parables of the lost sheep and the prodigal son.
I am rejoicing at the fact that Michael Jackson had been saved.
What is important at this time is to rejoice in the fact that Michael Jackson has accepted the Lord. It is not for us to judge if God would give him a crown or not or if he would be least in the kingdom or not. You may surprised how God works if you visit heaven. Let us not limit ourselves in our thinking of God's Abundance Grace and Mercy which is available for all freely and much more to the one that believes in Him. Let's stop judging and rejoice is God's mysterious way in leading his flock to His fold.
I am rejoicing at the fact that Michael Jackson had been saved.
MJ didn't do any works to the glory of God? R u kidding me!?!
I'm so glad God is not like Man!!! I really and truly believe that God accepts prayers like that!
One question? How many people have you led to Christ? I hope many is the answer if you are being critical of someone else. My bible tells me that God desires for all to be saved, it does not however give a timeline as to when, where, or with whom that is to happen. I also hear a supposition that one can not be saved and an entertainer since you elude to the fact that he was still preparing for tour. How many can say that when they were saved and instantly everything about them and their lives was holy? Not many! We will never know what would have happened on the tour and we still don't know how God will be glorified even with his death. I don't know if he did or didnot accept the Lord, actually that is between he and God, all I know is that I am thankful that someone presented Christ to him and I hope he accepted the present.
If this is true it shows just how merciful our GOD is! Jesus is LORD and was waiting on Michael to come to him before he took him away. There is no God greater than my GOD!
Michael Jackson, was a beautiful person with a beautiful spirit so now finally let this man REST IN PEACE! i can only hope that now people will leave him alone! to each his own there own opinion however truely think about what you say before you say it, for if you don't you just sound completly ignorant. I am so tired of sick people with these hateful hearts who claim the name of chirstianity making all of us chirstians look bad. you act in a hateful heart and then use the word of god to justify your actions. how dare you! in the word of GOD in almost every action is L0VE!!!! L0VE L0VE L0VE L0VE. and who are you to think that God did not LOVE and have mercy on michael just the same. i believe this post with my whole heart. and i think god had complete mercy on him. and just to let everyone know, michael was clearly not on his death bed or anything like that when he accepted jesus into his heart, so i believe god heard his prayer. and i know he is in a better place. I LOVE YOU MICHAEL! FOREVER AND ALWAYS.
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank
Amazing how desperate some people are. While I hope and pray that MJ accepted Christ - in a truly salvation kind of faith, such stories after the fact usually are only to appease those who loved the departed, and serve to do more harm that good by deceiving many.
MJ "belived" in several forms of organized religion, and died with Nation of Islam thugs still present or near.
First of all Mr. Rutledge your denying that God can do anything, and you call yourself a Christian. I don't limit my Lord and Savior, seeing what he's went through all of his life and being falsely accused of something he didn't do and what he's done for children and organizations, he was missing the salvation. False doctrine by his mother and father-- a father I should say who beat him the most out all of his brothers. He stole money from him. He had an amazing gift. No child should gone through that. Tell me why his father wasn't left anything in his will. He loved his children and his daughter even said it on national television. People, keep believing your awful thoughts he was pervert, a pedophile, let the man rest, he's been ridculed and spoken about like a dog. But yet, you people bought his records and kissed the ground he walked on. Mary Mary lied, don't you know if they did they proclaimed false witness against the Lord. Judgement would of been passed on them. Leave it God's hands don't take it against yourself to say they weren't. It's one thing for a worldy person to ridcule people of God and against his people or somebody "Who supposingly they found Jesus", as they would say. Only the Lord knows a true conversion. Personally you know that it won't be made publically because of the mass media attacking that thought. Look at Carrie Prejean and Perez Hilton. After that situation, he still was attacking her. FYI..I seen a interview where he said and I'll paraphrase. "It can't be all about Jesus, Jesus, Jesus". Look what happened to him with Black eyed Peas. The manager beat the crap out of him three blows to his face because he was popping stuff about Fergie and the group. Spiritual warfare is happening, and it's not just us normal "Jones family", but in the entertainment world as well. We all know how far this was taken on this site with our comments let's end it here already. I will end it. We are giving the Devil airtime whether you realize it or not.
Mr rutledge. You are a pompous hard hearted so called christian who undoubtedly has the mindset and heart of a Pharisee. All I can do is pray that MJ allowed Jesus to come I to his life and be glorified through everythi g he did. It's not up to me to judge whether or not he is going to spend eternity with God, and is most certainly not up to you. I think you need to back off the matter and just shut up. Quite honeslty, no one is impressed by your "knowledge" of the Bible, except maybe yourself. If MJ did make a decision to follow Jesus, then PRAISE GOD! If he didn't, then he had more than enough chances through his life. Either way, no one knows for sure, so I think everyone should stop speculating. I sincerely hope that MJ is with Jesus now! But regardless, let him rest in peace, and pray for his family as they press through this incredibly devistating loss. I love you MJ and hope and pray to see you someday dancing with the King of Kings!
God says not to judge.We don't know how the condition of michael heart was before he took his last breath into eternity.I do agree that I wish that some high profile people could glorify Jesus before death.God is a loving and merciful God.I pray that he is in heaven with Jesus.We must remember that we are human and will sin until Jesus returns.He took our sin for us.If we truly love Jesus we will love him first,obey his commandments and love one another.I wouldn't want anyone to go to hell but hell does exist.That is why we must help through the holy spirit to witness to anyone and everyone we can.Jesus is pure love and he is also holy and just.We must remember that!
I wish it were that easy. But, it is obvious that Michael did not know Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior of his life. He never confessed Jesus as Lord or Savior, not even once. He had so many opportunities to share what Christ did for him on the cross of calvary. Michael Jackson lives to bring glory to himself, not Christ. Not once did he ever lift the name of Jesus in his concerts or during interviews. He had three weeks to share his conversion with the world and leave this world planting seeds of salvation for humanity. But instead, he was working hard to go on tour to make more money to pay off his horrendous debts. Jesus tells us in His Word, the Bible, that, in spite o£ the glorious way of divine salvation, not many will find it. “Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it” (Matt. 7:13-14). “Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able” (Luke 13:23-24). “So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen” (Matt. 20:16).
I feel sad for Michael because if he had chosen to follow Christ, his life would have been renewed and his soul saved from eternal damnation. No one knows the heart of man but God. But, the Bible is clear when it says, no one will come to the Father but through Jesus Christ alone.
I would hope that MK would be in Heaven, but I seriously doubt it. There are so many unstudies and luke warm Christians who think that many will enter into the Kingdom of God, but they will have a rude awakening on the day of judgement.
"I never knew you: Depart from me." Can you imagine standing before God and hearing those words? Can you imagine the fear and terror that would grip your heart when you realize that you were never saved after all?
I believe that, sadly, many people will die and will be told those words by God. These people are those who have a false sense of security as far as their salvation in concerned. These people mistakenly thought that they had a "get-out-of-hell-free card," and they were playing a dangerous game when it came to matters of their eternal destination.
What am I talking about? I am talking about those people who somewhere along the way got the notion in their head that to make it into heaven, all they had to do was say some meaningless words.
There is an ad campaign going on from the dairy industry. The campaign's slogan is "got milk?" I think that for many people that slogan pretty much epitomizes their so-called salvation experience. It is as though people believe that all they have to do is recite a few choice words and then presto-chango, now they have "got saved." And then the mentality of these people is, "Hey, I can do whatever I want -- all the fornicating I want, all the lying I want, all the cheating I want, break all of the commandments I want. Why? Because I said the magic words, and I now have 'got saved.'"
Well, being saved is not just having an emotional moment when the preacher gives the altar call. Being saved is not just lifting up your hand at your buddy's funeral when you are feeling your own immortality. Being saved is not something you "get," as though you can pick up a quart of "saved" from the corner market and then just go home and store it away on a shelf for emergency use only.
How can you say, "Jesus, come into my life and be my Savior and Lord," or whatever the words were, and then continue on willfully living a life of sinful rebellion? Friend, if you have zero interest in pleasing the Lord, following the Lord's commands, learning of the Lord, or turning from your sins, you are probably not saved!
Here is an example of how foolish the notion is of believing that some mere words makes all the difference: Let's say I decide to "get married." Maybe I like the idea of being Mrs. Jim Stevens. Or maybe everybody else is getting married, so I want to be a married woman, too. So Mr. Stevens and I go to a church and exchange vows. We promise to love, honor, and cherish, and end with a hearty "I do." The preacher announces, "You are now man and wife."
Well, after our little ceremony, I then drive back to my little one-bedroom apartment alone. I decide that I don't want to live with my new husband. As a matter of fact, I think I still want to date other men. So I phone up all of my old boyfriends and go out with them whenever I want. I fornicate and party just like back when I was single.
And, hey, I don't care what my husband has to say about anything. His opinions and directions are unimportant to me. I'm busy doing my own thing.
As a matter of fact, I don't even bother to call my husband, let alone go see him. And if he writes anything to me, it goes unread. His words are not important to me either.
Now, even though I said those wonderful words at the altar and ended it with a boisterous, "I do," am I really married? In the eyes of human law, the farce that my marriage is could easily be annulled because my so-called marriage is a joke. I said the words, but my actions show that they meant nothing.
So why would someone deceive himself or herself into believing that saying a few quick words at an altar call is any indication that they are saved? Yet many do just that. If you are truly saved, there should be some indication of that in your life. We cannot add to what Christ did on the cross, but if Christ is your Savior and Lord and the Holy Spirit is living inside of you, that should manifest itself in some way, shape, and form. You should want to do the will of your Heavenly Father. You should love Jesus' name. You should crave His Word. You should hate sin. You should not see salvation as something that gives you a license to sin. Here are just a few verses that tell you what true salvation is all about:
Matthew 7:21-23 not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father, which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? And in thy name have cast out devils? And in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
Luke 13:5, "I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish."
2 Chronicles 7:14, "If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."
1 John 2:4, "He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."
John 10:27, "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me."
Again, if you have truly been adopted into God's family and the Holy Spirit is living inside of you, there should be some evidence of that in your life. It is not just a matter of meaningless words. My friend, think about those words, "I never knew you: Depart from me."
"For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries" (Hebrews 10:26-27).
For further reading on this subject, an excellent article detailing the evidence that should be in your life if you are truly born again can be found here: EVIDENCE.
And for more on this topic, go here: REPENTANCE.
The bottomline is that the majority of humanity will NOT enter into the Kingdom of God. And, the reality is, even though it's sad to say, Michael Jackson is probably and most likely in hell by his own choice.
Matthew 16:26 - For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
Sorry if it angers you or upsets you, but God said it, not I or those who agree. The Word of God is clear and black and white. You are either for God, or against God.
God says not to judge.We don't know how the condition of Michael's heart was before he took his last breath into eternity.I do agree and wish that some high profile people could glorify Jesus before death.God is a loving and merciful God.I pray that he is in heaven with Jesus.We must remember that we are human and will sin until Jesus returns.He took our sin for us.If we truly love Jesus we will love him first,obey his commandments and love one another.I wouldn't want anyone to go to hell but hell does exist.That is why we must help through the Holy Spirit to witness to anyone and everyone we can.Jesus is pure love and he is also holy and just.We must remember that!
I don't know about you, Mr. Rutledge, but my sanctification has taken more than 3 weeks and I didn't live the life MJ did. I didn't have a fraction of luggage he did. I don't know where he is right now and honestly I know of many people that have given there lives to Christ just before there death. The saving power of Christ is given in life and in death. Mr. Preacher Man, God is no respecter of time, whether you give your life to him 50 years before death or 5 minutes before death, God can and will save, otherwise Christ came in vain.
Dear Up To Him,
I have read through this entire thread, and you are the only one that has made the most sense, in my opinion. When I read the paragraph on your clarification on the two parts of hades which is separated by a great gulf fixed between them, i was convinced that you've done your homework. So far throughout your post, I haven't disagreed on any points, thus, I feel compelled to reply.
To be honest, I would not have replied, until I read the bit about your personal note on Mr. Jackson's last days. I know it was your choice to not give an "iota" of detail in regards to this but hope is all I have.
Yes I adored Mr. Jackson, he was a great showman, entertainer, humanitarian, etc. I admired him as a person though I never personally knew him, but whatever the media provided me, good or bad, I respected him and adored him. Ever since I was a teenager, I had been praying that God will provide someone Michael's way who will share the truth about His Word. I had a very good feeling that I would never have the opportunity to personally meet him for this purpose of sharing the Gospel to him so I prayed instead. As a teen I admit, I idolized him, but as I grew closer to God, I realized how blasphemous I was. I toned down, put Michael Jackson the entertainer on the shelf for years, but as a person, I retained the respect and love to him and especially to his soul. I repented of this idolatry and thank God for His forgiveness. But the day I found out Michael died, I could not hide the fact of how heartbroken I was. Not because Michael Jackson the greatest entertainer of all times had died, but because the words "what profiteth a man that he gain the whole world but lose his own soul" burdened my heart. Michael did touch the whole world, we cannot deny him of that fact. He did make great timeless music. He was generous. He gave to the entire world. Etc, etc. But what of it now? Personally, yes I am blessed to have his music and example of his good works until I die, but that is not the important thing to me now. Everyone says MJ will love forever in our hearts through his music and humanitarian ways, yes that may be true but I personally don't care about that anymore no matter how much I love him. He is dead. Whatever he accomplished on earth, whether great or small doesn't matter anymore. What burdens me is never knowing where his soul is today. Like I said, all I have is hope. Hope that he did accept Christ as his own personal Savior. I know God has and will provide every living person the chance to know and accept Him and I hope Michael grabbed that chance God gave him.
I guess what I'm really getting to is if you could tell me something about your personal note. Fortunate for you that you know something. I don't know anything. I never knew him personally and I don't know anyone who knew him personally. If you decide to share with me, I know that would never ever guarantee that it is true that Michael is saved. That is between God and him. But personally I really want to know. That is the closure I need for myself. I hope you understand where I am getting at. Ever since he died, his salvation was the only thing I could think of, even more than when he was alive. Forget the music. I don't care if his music lives on forever, the world knows it will, my care is that his soul lives on forever with the Father. Please share what you do know. Maybe if you do, I will know my hope is not empty.
I will wait for your reply. Thanks so much!
It is very interesting that you feel as if you have a heaven or hell to put the King of Pop in. Have you ever considered the fact that the Lord Jesus Christ sometimes has to perserve the soul of the person that finally gets their heart right? (SOMETIMES HE TAKES THEM SUDDENLY TO PERSERVE THE SOUL)If you look at the life of MJ you would notice that all of his life he was in search of the truth;he did not know the truth in the beginning due to his mothers faith that he obviously had to follow as a child.
Well, Jesus is THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE, NO MAN COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT BY HIM, OTHERWISE THEY ARE A THIEF AND A ROBBER. I don't know if you looked at the interview of one of the dancers on CNN, but this man said that the last night that they were in the Staple Center, that Michael Jackson had a GLOW on him, that he was happy and confident with his shoulders rolled back. To the world it is a glow on his face, but to a born again Christian, we know that the Glory of God was shining upon him. If you look at his last photo, he appeared to be peaceful, he did not look dead at all. We do not go to heaven based on our works. I've been in church all of my life and I've yet to see any Christian do what MJ did for the world. He gave 20% of his money according to the will in charity. The Lord only asked for 10% of our money and most people will not do that. The word speaks of this, where you heart is, you treasure will be also. It was evident that he was a giver. That would not cause him to have eternal life. He had everything but the most important thing. You are right, God does not wish for any man to perish, that is why he gave MJ the chance to get it right.
It is very interesting that you feel as if you have a heaven or hell to put the King of Pop in. Have you ever considered the fact that the Lord Jesus Christ sometimes has to perserve the soul of the person that finally gets their heart right? (SOMETIMES HE TAKES THEM SUDDENLY TO PERSERVE THE SOUL)If you look at the life of MJ you would notice that all of his life he was in search of the truth;he did not know the truth in the beginning due to his mothers faith that he obviously had to follow as a child.
Well, Jesus is THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE, NO MAN COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT BY HIM, OTHERWISE THEY ARE A THIEF AND A ROBBER. I don't know if you looked at the interview of one of the dancers on CNN, but this man said that the last night that they were in the Staple Center, that Michael Jackson had a GLOW on him, that he was happy and confident with his shoulders rolled back. To the world it is a glow on his face, but to a born again Christian, we know that the Glory of God was shining upon him. If you look at his last photo, he appeared to be peaceful, he did not look dead at all. We do not go to heaven based on our works. I've been in church all of my life and I've yet to see any Christian do what MJ did for the world. He gave 20% of his money according to the will in charity. The Lord only asked for 10% of our money and most people will not do that. The word speaks of this, where you heart is, you treasure will be also. It was evident that he was a giver. That would not cause him to have eternal life. He had everything but the most important thing. You are right, God does not wish for any man to perish, that is why he gave MJ the chance to get it right.
It is very interesting that you feel as if you have a heaven or hell to put the King of Pop in. Have you ever considered the fact that the Lord Jesus Christ sometimes has to perserve the soul of the person that finally gets their heart right? (SOMETIMES HE TAKES THEM SUDDENLY TO PERSERVE THE SOUL)If you look at the life of MJ you would notice that all of his life he was in search of the truth;he did not know the truth in the beginning due to his mothers faith that he obviously had to follow as a child.
Well, Jesus is THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE, NO MAN COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT BY HIM, OTHERWISE THEY ARE A THIEF AND A ROBBER. I don't know if you looked at the interview of one of the dancers on CNN, but this man said that the last night that they were in the Staple Center, that Michael Jackson had a GLOW on him, that he was happy and confident with his shoulders rolled back. To the world it is a glow on his face, but to a born again Christian, we know that the Glory of God was shining upon him. If you look at his last photo, he appeared to be peaceful, he did not look dead at all. We do not go to heaven based on our works. I've been in church all of my life and I've yet to see any Christian do what MJ did for the world. He gave 20% of his money according to the will in charity. The Lord only asked for 10% of our money and most people will not do that. The word speaks of this, where you heart is, you treasure will be also. It was evident that he was a giver. That would not cause him to have eternal life. He had everything but the most important thing. You are right, God does not wish for any man to perish, that is why he gave MJ the chance to get it right.
It is very interesting that you feel as if you have a heaven or hell to put the King of Pop in. Have you ever considered the fact that the Lord Jesus Christ sometimes has to perserve the soul of the person that finally gets their heart right? (SOMETIMES HE TAKES THEM SUDDENLY TO PERSERVE THE SOUL)If you look at the life of MJ you would notice that all of his life he was in search of the truth;he did not know the truth in the beginning due to his mothers faith that he obviously had to follow as a child.
Well, Jesus is THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE, NO MAN COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT BY HIM, OTHERWISE THEY ARE A THIEF AND A ROBBER. I don't know if you looked at the interview of one of the dancers on CNN, but this man said that the last night that they were in the Staple Center, that Michael Jackson had a GLOW on him, that he was happy and confident with his shoulders rolled back. To the world it is a glow on his face, but to a born again Christian, we know that the Glory of God was shining upon him. If you look at his last photo, he appeared to be peaceful, he did not look dead at all. We do not go to heaven based on our works. I've been in church all of my life and I've yet to see any Christian do what MJ did for the world. He gave 20% of his money according to the will in charity. The Lord only asked for 10% of our money and most people will not do that. The word speaks of this, where you heart is, you treasure will be also. It was evident that he was a giver. That would not cause him to have eternal life. He had everything but the most important thing. You are right, God does not wish for any man to perish, that is why he gave MJ the chance to get it right.
This is not true, I wish it were. I have always loved Michael Jackson and admired his sweet spirit and his loving heart. I was not an obsessed fan or anything, but I thought he was a great artist and truly appreciated his talent. For some reason, I have no idea why, I have been "grief stricken" since the news of MJ's passing. I was hoping all the hoopla was true but it is not.
Read the following from Andre & Sandra Crouch, themselves:
Andre Crouch Denies Michael Jackson Prayed for Salvation
Gospel music legends, Andrae Crouch and his twin sister, Sandra, have issued a statement about erroneous stories that Michael Jackson had accepted Christ during a meeting with them.
In an official statement sent to Assist News Service, Andrae and Sandra said, “It has been brought to our attention that several media outlets have been erroneously reporting that we met our dear friend Michael Jackson several weeks prior to his death so he could accept Christ. This is incorrect and absolutely not true.
“We loved and respected Michael enormously and we've been friends with him for many, many years, and are deeply saddened by his sudden and tragic death. We recently met with Michael to discuss recording two songs with our choir for his newest recording project.
“Michael always had a respect and curiosity for spiritual things. During our meeting, not unlike many other creative/music meetings we've had with him in the past, we sang together, prayed together and had a wonderful time.
“We are praying for Michael's family and desire nothing less than God's best for them."
More on the death of Michael Jackson from CBN News.
This is not true. I wish it was. The following is a report from CBN w/a statement straight from Andre and Sandra Crouch:
Gospel music legends, Andrae Crouch and his twin sister, Sandra, have issued a statement about erroneous stories that Michael Jackson had accepted Christ during a meeting with them.
In an official statement sent to Assist News Service, Andrae and Sandra said, “It has been brought to our attention that several media outlets have been erroneously reporting that we met our dear friend Michael Jackson several weeks prior to his death so he could accept Christ. This is incorrect and absolutely not true.
“We loved and respected Michael enormously and we've been friends with him for many, many years, and are deeply saddened by his sudden and tragic death. We recently met with Michael to discuss recording two songs with our choir for his newest recording project.
“Michael always had a respect and curiosity for spiritual things. During our meeting, not unlike many other creative/music meetings we've had with him in the past, we sang together, prayed together and had a wonderful time.
“We are praying for Michael's family and desire nothing less than God's best for them."
Dear Up To Him,
I have read through this entire thread, and you are the only one that has made the most sense, in my opinion. When I read the paragraph on your clarification on the two parts of hades which is separated by a great gulf fixed between them, i was convinced that you've done your homework. So far throughout your post, I haven't disagreed on any points, thus, I feel compelled to reply.
To be honest, I would not have replied, until I read the bit about your personal note on Mr. Jackson's last days. I know it was your choice to not give an "iota" of detail in regards to this but hope is all I have.
Yes I adored Mr. Jackson, he was a great showman, entertainer, humanitarian, etc. I admired him as a person though I never personally knew him, but whatever the media provided me, good or bad, I respected him and adored him. Ever since I was a teenager, I had been praying that God will provide someone Michael's way who will share the truth about His Word. I had a very good feeling that I would never have the opportunity to personally meet him for this purpose of sharing the Gospel to him so I prayed instead. As a teen I admit, I idolized him, but as I grew closer to God, I realized how blasphemous I was. I toned down, put Michael Jackson the entertainer on the shelf for years, but as a person, I retained the respect and love to him and especially to his soul. I repented of this idolatry and thank God for His forgiveness. But the day I found out Michael died, I could not hide the fact of how heartbroken I was. Not because Michael Jackson the greatest entertainer of all times had died, but because the words "what profiteth a man that he gain the whole world but lose his own soul" burdened my heart. Michael did touch the whole world, we cannot deny him of that fact. He did make great timeless music. He was generous. He gave to the entire world. Etc, etc. But what of it now? Personally, yes I am blessed to have his music and example of his good works until I die, but that is not the important thing to me now. Everyone says MJ will love forever in our hearts through his music and humanitarian ways, yes that may be true but I personally don't care about that anymore no matter how much I love him. He is dead. Whatever he accomplished on earth, whether great or small doesn't matter anymore. What burdens me is never knowing where his soul is today. Like I said, all I have is hope. Hope that he did accept Christ as his own personal Savior. I know God has and will provide every living person the chance to know and accept Him and I hope Michael grabbed that chance God gave him.
I guess what I'm really getting to is if you could tell me something about your personal note. Fortunate for you that you know something. I don't know anything. I never knew him personally and I don't know anyone who knew him personally. If you decide to share with me, I know that would never ever guarantee that it is true that Michael is saved. That is between God and him. But personally I really want to know. That is the closure I need for myself. I hope you understand where I am getting at. Ever since he died, his salvation was the only thing I could think of, even more than when he was alive. Forget the music. I don't care if his music lives on forever, the world knows it will, my care is that his soul lives on forever with the Father. Please share what you do know. Maybe if you do, I will know my hope is not empty.
I will wait for your reply. Thanks so much!
MAY GOD SOFTEN YOUR HEART,I THANK,AND PRAISE GOD,MICHAEL GAVE HIS LIFE TO CHRIST,SEE GOD KNEW WHAT KIND OF PERSON MIKE WAS,HE WAS LOVING,GIVING COMPASSIONATE,AND GOOD,SEE YOU CAN BE GOOD,AND STILL BE LOST,GOD LOVED MIKE SO MUCH,AND HE LOVES YOU TOO,SO REMOVE THE HATE FOR MICHAEL JACKSON,AND LET GODS LOVE COME IN IT.
PEACE
MAY GOD SOFTEN YOUR HEART,I THANK,AND PRAISE GOD,MICHAEL GAVE HIS LIFE TO CHRIST,SEE GOD KNEW WHAT KIND OF PERSON MIKE WAS,HE WAS LOVING,GIVING COMPASSIONATE,AND GOOD,SEE YOU CAN BE GOOD,AND STILL BE LOST,GOD LOVED MIKE SO MUCH,AND HE LOVES YOU TOO,SO REMOVE THE HATE FOR MICHAEL JACKSON,AND LET GODS LOVE COME IN IT.
PEACE
AMEN JESSE AMEN!!!,AND AMEN AGAIN!,THATS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY,SEE GOD KNEW MICHAEL WAS GOOD,
AND GIVING,AND UNSELFISH,BUT SEE WE CAN BE GOOD,AND LOST,BUT SEE GOD KNEW MIKES HEART,AND HE KNEW HOW SADD HE HAD BECOME,I CRY EACH TIME I THINK ABOUT HIM,BUT!!!NOW I FEEL SO MUCH MORE BETTER KNOWING THAT HE ACCEPTED CHRIST,I THANK GOD FOR THE CROUCHES WHO LED HIM TO CHRIST,YOU COULD HEAR MICHAEL'S PAIN IN THE POEM HE WAS READING AFTER MY GURL JENNIFER WAS FINISH SINGING,I CRIED SO HARD ON THAT PART,BUT YES JESSE IAM SO WITH YOU,HALF OF THESE NASTY-
JUDGEMENTAL COMMENTS ARE COMING FROM US CHRISTAINS,AND IT'S ASHAMED,THATS ONE OF THE REASON,WE CANT GET MY SISTER TO STEP FOOT IN A CHURCH,BECAUSE OF THE MEAN COLD HEARTED CHRISTIAN,OR SHALL I SAY''CHURCH FOLK''.
GOD BLESS YOU JESSE AMEN.
Fortunately I do not have time to read all the previous responces. I loved MJ's music. I was not fond of all his changes over the years. I am not convienced he did not have in-appropriate contact with kids under his supervision. That is totally un-important at this point. If he accepted Christ as his Lord and Savior that is great for him. For people to doubt and ponder whether or not he repented and accepted Christ is none of thier buisness. A true christian would be happy for him but only God knows and can decide if he will open up the pearly gates to MJ. So rest in peace MJ, hopefully you are in a better place where there is no pressure, no critics, no negativity. Just the perfect peace of God!
All of u r wrong he accepted islam and was a muslim at the time of his death that is the fact u all have to admit.ok take care
Romans 10:13 says that whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved. Nothing is mentioned about needing to add any good works in order to receive salvation from God. In fact, Ephesians 2:9 says: NOT OF WORKS, LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST. The Bible does seem to indicate that it’s possible to fall away from the Lord, though, in Hebrews 6:4-6. Christians who get saved many years before their death DO have an ongoing battle against satan and are sometimes tempted to abandon their faith when the going gets rough. If Michael Jackson WAS truly born again shortly before his death (I hope he was!) then his time of testing as a believer was much shorter than a Christian who walks with God for many years before leaving this world. Could there be an element of JEALOUSY involved as Christians speculate on whether Michael’s conversion experience was valid, just because it was “last minute” like that of the Thief on the Cross? In Matthew chapter 20 Jesus preaches the Parable of the Vineyard Owner, who continues to hire farm workers throughout the day, up until five o’clock, an hour before quitting time.' Back then it was customary for workers to be paid at the end of each workday. Surprisingly, ALL the laborers in Jesus’ parable end up getting exactly the same pay, even the men hired an hour before quitting time. The men who had sweated and toiled since early morning grumbled that it wasn’t fair. But the owner of the vineyard said, “Is your heart evil because I’m being kind?” If Michael truly received Christ as Savior, even at the last possible moment, we should all rejoice instead of begrudging the fact that Michael won’t have to suffer decades of being tempted by satan. And the fact he won’t have the opportunity to do good works down here on earth for the Lord doesn’t make God any less merciful. As unfair as this seems to self-righteous Christians, the precious blood of Christ is the ONLY payment for sin and the ONLY fare to heaven God requires.
Cup half full? What does it hurt to hold out the best? Jesus did to the criminal on the cross if I am not mistaken. Hmmmm maybe people wondered if we would ever get saved.......just a thought. Lets be LIKE Jesus, I am sure that He wouldn't say to us "Well its about time, nice timing"(sarcasm). We will be measured by how we measure others, lets be careful to think before we speak, can't take it back....In Christ. JK
his ways are not our ways.who are we to decide wat give God god glory or not
I know this might sound kinda crazy...but, I asked God: What happened? Why would he die so young, what about his kids? What about all the things that he did...things that I as a christian am not doing...he gave so much to the world. Does that touch Your heart a little? I can't judge him for the things that he did and were not rightous before the eyes of God.
Well, after this I google searched "michael jackson" and this article comes up in the first page of results...coincidence???
This article says that Michael received Jesus three weeks before his SUDDEN death. I don't believe he planned to SUDDENLY die. All I can say is that I'm happy and have much, much, much joy because Jesus comes to the rescue just in time. This was not a soul that was going to be burnt in hell, Jesus would never let such a beautiful soul slip through His fingers. That's not the God I love, that's not the Savoir that changed my life, my loving and merciful Father, the one that does not remember my sins when I come to Him...Michael had lived a very bumpy life...it was time for him to join the angels that sing in heaven...I'm sure the king of pop has bowed his knees before the KING OF KINGS.
Michael...see ya in heaven!!
Mr. Rutledge,
You are being very judgemental as though you yourself gives salvation. We do not know MJ's heart, but we do know that God is faithful. We can still rejoice over what we heard. God is merciful, PERIOD.
All those who made comments, let's focus on our heart and thanks him for the GRACE we do not deserve. It is GOD who touches lives
D.T.W.
May I add. I suggest you read the bible for it there is life
Jesse (and anyone else), honestly, why wouldn't you share with us what you know? Why all the secret? This is not paparazzi and press talking here, hunting for great cover news, it's us, Christians talking about one dear man's salvation. We're brothers...let us rejoice together if there is anything to rejoice about. I don't understand it, really, it makes no sense to keep us on the outside if you know something, it's actually selfish and mean. :( Please...
I loved, appreciated, respected, trusted Michael with all my heart. It's nothing I want more right now that to know he indeed was saved before dieing.
Please come forward with what you know. We will all appreciate it!
Thank you!
Jesse (and anyone else), honestly, why wouldn't you share with us what you know? Why all the secret? This is not paparazzi and press talking here, hunting for great cover news, it's us, Christians talking about one dear man's salvation. We're brothers...let us rejoice together if there is anything to rejoice about. I don't understand it, really, it makes no sense to keep us on the outside if you know something, it's actually selfish and mean. :( Please...
I loved, appreciated, respected, trusted Michael with all my heart. It's nothing I want more right now that to know he indeed was saved before dieing.
Please come forward with what you know. We will all appreciate it!
Thank you!
=) doesnt it give us the joy to know that MJ is a christian? well, if he is... that was what led us all to this page, no? haha. but im quite sure that God would rather have us spending our time workin on the great commission rather than argue, or... discuss about a deceased person's religion! Its up to God now isnt it? We shouldnt be like those muslims who sound like they have conquered the world (as they always wanted (and still wanting)to) Nooo... we are asked to save souls here ON EARTH... not those that have already left our planet! Is christianity a greater religion if MJ, or any other stars were to have converted to it? No! Its God that is great... not man. And for many who have placed MJ, or any stars as their idol, that idea of God being great may be hard to grasp. sigh.
God bless. hope this helps.
Mr. franklin e rutledge,please come out from where u are now talking about the jesus christ.just show and introduce jesus christ to the people who does not know Him.
GOD BLESS YOU
Only God is the judge. There are so many siners comdening others when they have done so many bad things during their lives! Don't judge and you will not be judge! The feeling of envy is terrible. What Michael Jackson have achieved during his live is something we'll never reach.
Let him rest in peace with God. Perhaps, those who are so critical toward him never will have the opportunity to achieve what he has achieved in life!!!
Don't judge others and you will not be judged! The feeling of envy is terrible. What Michael Jackson have achieved during his live is something we'll never reach.
Let him rest in peace with God. Perhaps, those who are so critical toward him never will have the opportunity to achieve what he has achieved in life!!!
Why dont we forget about MJ for now and let the dead bury their dead. I believe this thread is this long because he was a celebrity.I would rather we start now to speak to other celebrities like Oprah and others and let them know that life is too short and its way too risky to wait until you are on your death bed before accepting Jesus into their hearts. a lot of folks here have spoken of personal relationships and encounters with Michael. Being in that circle also opens up opportunities to meet with celebrities. So I suggest you use that opportunity to start ministering to them so we dont have to go through all this the next time another celebrity drops dead.
Preach the Word.
God bless you
I know the gospel!But you were not there the night he died!You can't say that you know he is in hell..You were not in his mind you don't know where his heart was the week pryor to his death..The people who knew the man on the cross prior to his death probaly assumed he went to hell because the the last part of his life he was a theif and i know he heard of Jesus i mean he was their in the flesh healing but to act like you were with someone before he died awww!Come ON NOW!
I agree with you, Michael is dead and nothing can be done for him anymore...if we, as Christians, failed for him, we should concentrate our efforts now on praying and witnessing to other celebrities who could repent and proclaim Jesus out loud to a bigger crowd than we can get to.
But I don't think it is normal for some Christians to state that they know something real about Michael Jackson's salvation and not share it with other Christians! Do you want to make a great cover story out of this yourselves and then make it public, so you don't want others to know before you share it with the world? I'm just trying to understand here....
Or are you just saying that with no real facts? (I'm not using the "lie" word) Are we so desperate to meet Michael in Heaven that we are making up stories for his and our sake?
Trust me, there is no one that wants more than me to know that Michael had indeed accepted Christ as his personal Lord and Savior...:(( but I don't want to live the rest of my life basing this hope on something false..
So Jesse and all, if you have any facts, bring them out now to the Glory of our God and the strengthening of His people! If not, forever hold your silence about Michael Jackson's soul! (to make it sound even more dramatic that it already is)
If the Pedophilia stories were true,then Michael committed some horrible sins.Yet,the Bible says that any kind of sin can be forgiven through Christ...even murder!I dont know if Michael molested children,but I do know that we are ALL sinners,who have fallen short of the glory of God.Many Christians prayed for Michael ro be saved,my daughter prayed for him for many years.I believe that Michael suffered from mental illness.God takes everything into consideration,only He truly knew Michael's heart.I believe that Michael knew that his time on Earth was coming to an end...that's why he wanted to hear Andre Crouch sing the song about "leaving soon."
As far as people not believing in "deathbed" conversions,remember Michael didn't actually know that he only had 3 weeks to live,although I think he sensed that his time was short.I will always remember him as the little boy with the beautiful,heartbreaking voice.We all had crushes on him,in the early 70's!
I'm going to tell you something now,and it will no doubt sound crazy to some people,but,here goes...
I was sitting here,at my computer,tonight..and I started praying.I said"Dear Jesus,if Michael is truly in Heaven with you...give me a sign.Let a white moth fly against my window..."
For about a minute,nothing happened.I thought "What a silly request to make." All of a sudden,a little white moth landed on my window.I watched it for a couple of minutes.I thought,maybe it's just a coincidence...
A couple of minutes later,out of nowhere,a pretty,pure white moth appeared,and flew all around my chandelier! It wasn't one of those pale beige ones-this one was pretty..and as white as snow.It was kind of eerie,uncanny.It flew towards me,and I sorta jumped out of the way,it was going to land on me!
The thought came to my mind,that...even if our lives are stained black with sin,even if our sins are red as scarlet,our souls will be washed as pure white as this white moth..if we repent and ask Jesus to forgive our sins!
I believe that Jesus was showing me that,YES!,Michael is with Him in Heaven.I am a person who does not normally ask for signs,a skeptical sort of person.You can take this story for what it's worth,I swear that it is absolutely true.He who believes on the Lord Jesus Christ will be saved.There is therefore,now,no condemnation..they have passed from death to LIFE!See you in Heaven,Michael,I love you!
That is a nice, thank you for sharing it with us! :)
wow that was so touching.. I'm so touched that many christians are concern about him.. When i was a little girl, I love him too and I prayed for him. But I wish I could do more :( I pray that he will be with Jesus too... and hopefully he doesn't die because of drug, but because Jesus took him back to avoid more troubles
Your wrong! Jesus is real and so is Heaven and Hell! You need Jesus!!! He can save you too! Mj was human and needed Jesus too. I pray God will touch your life nad help you to know his love!
The world can't get enough of Michael Jackson and his talents which came from God Almighty. Only God deserved the praise. But God said enough and took his son home. With all his money and talent Michael Jackson was a tortured soul who smiled on the outside while suffering inwardly. He needed to know the love of God (our heavenly father). Andre Crouch ministered to him 3 weeks before his death. I am so happy to know by confirmation of the Holy Spirit (the white moth in the comment by Alease Brink Davis)that Michael is in heaven. He is in no more pain and can finally get the sleep and rest he could not get in this life. Rest in peace.MJ..
JESUS IS REAL AND IS ALIVE AND IT IS AWESOME 2 KNOW THAT THE GREATEST ENTERTAINER IS ALIVE WITH THE ONE WHO DIED ON THE CROSS FOR US THANK GOD DOR THE CROUCHS MINISTRY BECAUSE THEY LED MICHEAL JACKSON TO JESUS THE CHRIST NOW ITS TIME FOR BARACK OBAMA TO RECIEVE THE HOLY SPIRIT
I can agree very much. Lets pray for the remaining members of the Jackson family, that they will get to know Christ as their personal savior as well as the children no matter what they have already been told about who Jesus is. God still loves them and wants the best for them lets just pray that God softens and prepares their hearts to receive the invitation of chirist when offered. Ask God to continue to put laborers of christ in their pathway on a daily basis.
I can agree very much. Lets pray for the remaining members of the Jackson family, that they will get to know Christ as their personal savior as well as the children no matter what they have already been told about who Jesus is. God still loves them and wants the best for them lets just pray that God softens and prepares their hearts to receive the invitation of chirist when offered. Please pray that God will send laborers in their pathway on a daily basis.
in christ love-rose
WOW!!!! I CAN'T BELIEVE THE AMOUNT OF JUDGEMENTAL CHRISTIANS OUT THERE, IT'S A PITTY. EXACTLY WHAT JESUS HAS DESCRIBED IN THE BIBLE: SELFRIGHTEOUS,PHARISEES YE HYPOCRITES,STILL BLIND BY YOUR OWN LOGGS OF LUMBER!!!!!!! YOU ALL NEED TO LOOK AT YOURSElVES,LOOK AT THE MAN IN THE MIRROR,AND MAKE THAT CHANGE!!! SELFRIGHTEOUS CHRISTIANS CAN MAKE A BETTER PLACE FOR THOSE WHO NEED CHRIST!!! THE WORLD NEEDS JESUS!!! HE CAME TO LOVE AND NOT CONDEMN!!!!! GET A REALIITY CHECK,AND TAKE A LOOK AT YOURSELF!!!!!! SEE YOU IN HEAVEN MJ,AND JESUS GIVE MJ A HUGE HUG, AND KISS FROM ME!!!!!!!!!! LOVE YOU JESUS!!!XOXO!!!! REMEMBER LOVE COVERS A MULTITUDE OF SINS!!! I'LL BE PRAYING AGAINST SELFRIGHTEOUS SPIRITS IN THE BODY OF CHRIST,WE NEED A END TIME WORLD REVIVAL!!
I agree with you, there is no one that God cannot save. God is always on time.
Really? what were those moments, i want to know, i am praying so much for his Brother Jermaine.
I have read the majority of these posts and I must say Michael jackson is in Heaven. Michael jackson had a near death experience in 2008 and saw Heaven. Anyone who understands NDE know what you see can't be faked. Either Hades or Heaven! He's safe but what about US? lET us get our lives right so we may join him!
Michael was always a Christian right from childhood. After his second trial he was just confused and easily influenced by the Muslims in Bahrain. MJ was never a Muslim or any other religion. Maybe he thought about it but he NEVER made a public statement saying he converted to Islam, so I believe that he always had Jesus in his heart.
I like you, Tamara... my thoughts exactly!
Thank God he is saved for he was a kind and caring person and he respected Jesus Christ loving children and told stories of it and he was a very loving person and I hope to meet him in heaven one day Praising the Lord forever.
Thank God Michael Appected Christ as his savior. He was a caring person who talked about Jesus and had repected for him and wanted to be like him he loved kids like Christ said to. Everyone Claimed Christ to be the devil because what he did Michael was diffrent so not everyone liked that. I cant wait to see him in heaven singing to the Lord together forever!
Don't forget the power of God also save the thief on the cross.
Michael was very religious from child onto adulthood. I beleive he is in heaven with the lord and all the alligations are untrue.
As a Jewish believer in Yeshua HaMashiach, born and raised in the city of David HaMelech (King David)I must say I am very sad to see how some of the Christians here twist the Torah.
I am glad I believe in a loving and forgiving Yeshua and I am trusting Michael's soul to be bound in the Bundle of Life.
DID MICHAEL JACKSON CONFESS HIS SINS TO GOD AND ACCEPT OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST TO COME INTO HIS HEART?? I HOPE MICHAEL JACKSON DID IT! I HOPE ANDRE AND SANDRA, SHARE THE WORD OF GOD TO MJ, THE SALVATION THAT ALL MEN NEED.. SO IT USED TO MAKE ME SAD... BECAUSE THERE WAS NO CONFESSIONS HAPPENNED..I REALLY LOVE MICHAEL JACKSON. AND EVERYTIME I PRAY, I ALWAYS TALK ABOUT MICHAEL JACKSON TO GOD, BECAUSE I LOVE HIM SO MUCH.
please visit this website www.reflectionsonthedance.com for more information on Michael Jackson's faith.
Yes he was a Christian.
Doug, please check out this brand new website. It will answer a lot of your questions.
http://www.reflectionsonthedance.com
Steve, please check out this new website that tells the truth about Michael. It will answer a lot of your questions.
http://www.reflectionsonthedance.com
Bill, Michael never converted to Islam. There are many untruths about Michael that were reported by the media. Please check out this website to learn the truth. http://www.reflectionsonthedance.com
I have spent nearly 4 months researching Michael Jackson and what most people think they know about him, is false.
Michael NEVER converted to Islam. Another rumor. Michael was NOT what the media made him out to be. Close friends and those who knew him well have confirmed to me that Michael was a Christian and believed in Christ fully.
As Christians, we should know that we must seek truth in ALL things and not just go by hearsay and believe what we see in the media. We should not judge and be self-righteous.
The media gets its money from advertisers, and advertiser advertise when there is a big audience. So the media sensationalizes many times to bring in a bigger audience, and therefore, more money. I've worked in media. I know. Unfortunately, with Michael's generosity and a heart of kindness, and his wealth and talent, he became a huge target.
It's time the truth came out about who Michael really was, what kind of person he really was, what he believed and how he truly lived his life. Many are going to be surprised or even shocked! He was not at all the type of person that some posts indicate here.
PLEASE, take time to seek out truth and not make judgements on hearsay and falsehoods.
Check out this website link below to learn the truth....about who Michael was, about his faith, about the accusations and trial. There is an exclusive interview with attorney Tom Mesereau and others. Lots of information. Many will be shocked and surprised at what they find out. God Bless.
http://www.reflectionsonthedance.com
Just one thing! for someone that says he is saved, you are sounding very criticizing of people who don't agree with your views. Remember God is Love, therefore you should speak in Love. and not condem those who do not agree with your views. Be Blessed
i don't understand why christians can be so cruel. Christ made salvation so easy for the world. he said, "believe in your heart, confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and ye shall be saved". He didnt add anything else to it. why are we making the way so difficult for the world to find? if Michael believed before he died it doesnt cheapen the gospel. it only shows the largeness of God's heart and mercy.Michael was never anybody's problem. He was decieved just like the rest of the world. and if he died without Christ his punishment couldn't have been worse. if you claim to have prayed for him then why are you so upset that he found Christ just before he died?
Why are you so angry ?
Thank you thank you thank you for posting this link.
I spent 2 hours reading the section "His Faith" and cried so much. I felt so overwhelmed by different emotions. I am a fan and I know all about his personality and kindness, but there were some things written there that made me love him even more. I didn't even know that was possible.
I found it and read it a few minutes before seeing you post the link here. But thank you again for posting it for others.
People need to stop arguing about Michael's salvation. If you really want to know the truth about it, click on the link Debbie posted. Michael's own words.
I feel very sorry for Franklin E. Rutledge, for he is obviously lost.
if your a christian your pridefull and should rejoice in another soulbeing with the lord
Your statement is not self righteous, it is down right stupid. You & several of the other writers act as if you have a monopoly on heaven. Man in his righteous indignation! As an old gospel ledgen sang "I'm glad God made me because man would sure nuf' try to destroy me". I need to know what church you and your commorades go to, so I will not make the mistake of going there. Bunch of hypocrites. MJ's conversion gives me joy unspeakable. I pray for the rest of the Jackson family that Michael's conversion will enrich them as much as his talents did. And to my brother and sisters in Christ, Andre & Sandra Crouch and Mary Mary, don't stop doing good unto the Lord, may His peace always be with you.
I don't believe he's angry, I just believe he needs something to do, like a job. Anybody with that much time on their hands can't be working. Maybe he should start a little storefront church and share some of that biblical intellect with those that really need it - like the living/lost. Sounds like a wanta be preacher to me. I'm sure MJ could care less about your opinion. Now quit wasting time and cyber space and get busy for the Lord.
I don't believe Frank's angry, I just believe he needs something to do, like a job. Anybody with that much time on their hands can't be working. Maybe he should start a little storefront church and share some of that biblical intellect with those that really need it - like the living/lost. Sounds like a wanta be preacher to me. I'm sure MJ could care less about your opinion. Now quit wasting time and cyber space and get busy for the Lord.